My AI Design Workflow That Doesn't Ship Slop

There's a way to create beautiful designs, beautiful websites, beautiful apps, beautiful motion, and I just learned about it. And it's through this thing called Google MD, it's using skills. And the entire process of this is what we explain on this podcast. I had my friend, Meng Toe, who's one of the best designers. I know come on and share his entire workflow to how to create jaw, dropping beautiful designs that by the end of this episode, you will become a designer. You're going to be able to create better design than 99.99% of this planet. And what does that mean? That means that your startup, your idea, your app, is going to have a higher chance of getting people to install it, to buy it, to share it. And we all can use that. So enjoy the episode and I'll see you in there. Meng, welcome back, second time on the pod. By the end of this episode, what are people going to get out of this? Google just came out with design.md and this is one way to create a blueprint to take one beautiful design, whether you made it or not and then spread throughout all the formats and the mediums for your startup idea. So you can turn a beautiful design system that is created by a master in their craft like a designer and then you can turn that into motion design, a landing page, different sections of the landing page, mobile design and so on. So a lot of people struggle right now with this idea, they start really strong with one shot and then suddenly they get into the other pages and they suddenly have something more more generic. So this is what we're going to be learning. I'm going to teach you all the tricks, remakes, iterate, what is the design system, typography, colors, all the things that people struggle in design. Perfect. In your world, I feel like a lot of people are talking about design. In my world, not that many people are talking about it, but they want to be able to create jaw-dropping, beautiful designs, even if they're not a designer because we're using agents now and we're building startups, we're taking ideas out of our head. But we don't want a purple vibe-coded website or app, we want something that's beautiful, it's consistent and so I'm excited for you to explain what design MD is, I'm excited for you to explain how you can actually get inspired by other designers and use some of their systems to create something of your own. Meng, thank you so much for being generous with your sauce and tactics and tips and tricks. There's no one I look up to more than you in this regard, so thank you. Yeah, I just want to mention something before we start. People don't realize how hard it is to get the right distribution, the marketing. And I want to thank you, Greg, because remember the first time I came to your podcast, I started with a $3,000 MRR and it shut up to $15,000 MRR just by going through your podcast and obviously there's a ton of value over time. So to those who don't know, like going to Greg's podcast, it's like the bucket list, like the number one thing you want to reach towards to. And yeah, I prepared presentation slides and all that stuff because like, Reptid just introduced slides and we started doing hyper frames, we started doing the remotions. So I prepared all of this as a designer, I feel very strongly about this. So let me just share my screen. First things first, I realize a lot of people are vibe coding their apps, they're vibe coding, their startup marketing and so on. Everything I do today, including this tool that I'm showing you, which is my own notion with slides is vibe coded and I made it by myself. So I also want to say that all of these images are all generated using the context of the title and I'm using the new GPT image too. So with that said, you know, I prepared the slides and I want to go through one by one, what is design.empty? So, but first of all, you know, I just want to also preface on what we're going to be discussing, you know, the things that I want to teach everyone about design and how we get there and then we're going to end with a demo. So these are the kind of five main points I don't want to go through. And then we're going to get started design, as I mentioned before, design.empty is just open source and I can find the tweet right here. They have a 10 minute video, you can watch it. Essentially, what it means is that just the same way a lot of people are using agents.empty or skill.empty or soul.empty for those who are using Cloudbot or in this case, it's open cloud now. So basically, this is for designers and if you want to take the soul of the design and you want to bring that to the agent and you want to bring a design system, the colors, the typography that makes a design beautiful. Well, you port it and you put it all into an MD file and then you put it into your problem as an attachment and then boom, you have a beautiful design. So this is what design.empty and you will see extremely efficient ways to use this across multiple medium, not just web design, but also, you know, like, you know, like motion design nowadays and slides. So, you know, for example, quick break in the pod to let you know, but a free workshop I'm doing that answers some of your biggest questions. The first is in the AI age, what are some categories that are right for startup ideas? I'm going to outline a bunch of those different categories, the ones that I think the most opportunity is. Second is there's a million AI tools out there. Which are the ones that matter when I'm trying to build a business? I'll walk you through that. And lastly, how do you actually build a business with some of these AI tools? So I'm actually going to show you live how I do this with my idea browser.com team and I can't wait to see you there. It's this Thursday at 12 p.m. Eastern. And if you go to the show notes, if you go to the description, you can click a link RSVP and learn a few things. I hope it'll get your creative juices flowing and I'll see you back at the pod. I'm going to give you just some quick examples of what I created. So for example, when you have a design, right? You can sort of like take one design and using whatever medium, like whether it's react or HTML, you can create like a nice promo video or you can create like a slide. And this is all using the same DNA, which is the design. MD. So as you do this, for example, this is a slide and this is a promo video. You can see that this is two different approach to a design. And this is a result. And if you want, there's a ton of resources that allows you to save those design. MD. So one of them, obviously, I created them myself, but they're totally free. You can just download them right now. My internet is super slow. So here you can see we have a lot of these design systems. And it's essentially just one file. You click here, you download it and it contains all of this visual stuff, typography, colors, spacing. And if you look at the, you know, the, the, the markdown itself, if you've used markdown, it's essentially a structured text with tables, titles and code. And you can, if you read through all of this, you have the weapons and the arsenal. To essentially prompt efficiently. And you can sort of commit this to memory and then it becomes your design. So it's very simple. You add all of this to prompt, right? And then it becomes the, the HTML or the design at MD. The HTML is more like the sort of a finished dish. And the MD file is more like the recipe. The skills are like the ingredients. So you put it all together and it becomes your design, which is what I just showed earlier. And that's a big deal because, you know, why, like honestly, why I wanted to have you on the pod is, you know, it's such an advantage to, to having scroll stopping design. Like the video you shared, like the, the, the MP4 there that you shared, like that was, that was beautiful. And so I guess my question is, like, how do you, if you're not a designer coming up with these systems yourself, like from scratch is really hard. So how do you, what's the process for, for, for finding, you know, for finding brands and identities that resonate with you? Right. So, you know, coming back to the slide, right, oftentimes, you know, people, they want shot something. They saw like a, a beautiful prompt. Oftentimes it's bigger than the code, the copy and paste that they have no idea how it's done. And they also have no leverage on how to change it. So the first screen is not the hard part. So, you know, right now it is, you kind of feel like you're the one who's always like telling AI what to do. And you don't have control. And the question is, like, how do you solve this problem, which is a design drift? Okay. You, you, you start something, you're kind of satisfied with it, but then you get into the other stuff and it becomes completely different. So that's, that's why we need design.md and, you know, you don't want to end up something like this. You want to, to end up with a system, a process where you can bring, whether it's a screenshot, an HTML, a design.md, or all of those ingredients and recipes. And back to your question, Greg, there's a ton of resources that share all of these things. But design.md is new. Most places they share templates, right? We all know, you know, like, you go to a template and obviously I'm taking my mind as an example. But you can go to any of the templates that you find on VZero, lovable, you know, all of these other place frame or Figma community for, for people who are more familiar with designs. And the problem with those is that they are highly close behind the techniques and the rectangles and the pixels of Figma or frame of Webflow. But, you know, then how do you tell that to an agent? And that's the big question. So nowadays you can go to new communities that share the actual blueprint, which is a design.md. So for example, I want a design that looks like this, that has this animation, that has the blue color, that has these systems of, you know, beautiful typography and selections and buttons that, you know, I don't want everything. I don't want the whole template. I just want something to start with that I can tell my AI to start with that and then be consistent across the board. Now, if you only provide a portion of it or something too specific, the AI tends to sort of like take that to literally. But if you provide something more like a foundational system, like a process, agents.md and what and what not, then you get something that gives more flexibility to your system when you're going to be working on new designs or new mediums or, you know, you want to be consistent across the board. Cool. Yeah. I mean, when I see this, like, first of all, this is gorgeous. But what I would want to refrain from is, like, to your point, duplicating that and just creating the same. Cookie cutter website, you know, because there's, I'm sure you see this all the time, like, you know, you come across a website, it's a Shopify, it's a WordPress, it's a framework, it's whatever. And you're like, I've seen this website before, right? I've seen this website, but it's another brand, right? And that, like cookie cutter doesn't work anymore. And it's the same reason, like, you know, you go into a downtown core city and like, all the buildings look the same, right? And you feel like this, like, homogenous cityscapes that are existing now. Yeah. And I fully agree with you. Everything is so high. Like the baseline is so high nowadays, but also the baseline is also very generic. What used to be wow, five, 10 years ago, now is generic, which is funny, because like, if you look at the purple gradient, everyone was like, wow, purple gradient, I want to use that. But nowadays, if you see something with, you know, purple gradients, you're just run. So I guess what I'm trying to say here is that we have evolved so much. And humans have a way to solve new problems and to adapt. And I think that's the real intelligence. And so I think the question nowadays for me is, how do you deal with taste, right? How do you design something? How do you make ultra quick decisions, right? To take something, whether is the ingredients, the recipe, the secret sauce for me, the secret sauce is the design, right? Because, you know, you don't want people to run away from your landing page. You don't want them to look at your brand and like, oh, shit, this feels like, you know, just like the 1000 startup that I've seen over the past week. So if you, if you focus on design enough, right, if you find these systems that you can bring to your own system that is flexible enough. And then you can create something way more powerful. So I like to think of design at dot md like a design memory. And this is great because it can transfer between platform. So if you're working in loveable and you like what you've done or in cloud design, and then you want to move it to Figma or you want to move it to, you know, to cursor or to, you know, nowadays I use codex a lot. I know a lot of people use cloud code. But you can totally do all of that stuff because you can carry this design at md and then you can commit it to memory by telling your AI, your agent to remember that. I mean, I do that all the time. Remember this. Remember that. And I think agents nowadays are doing a pretty good job at, you know, trying to remember the workflow that you've just done. Right. Because that workflow is unique to you. Like a lot of things that I make nowadays. I'm sure it applies to everyone out there who is making their own apps. First of all, for me, when I make apps, I look at what is the mode, what is something that I can do with my app that notion cannot do or Figma cannot do. For me, that mode right now is the fact that everything is local. So, for example, this is all local. And because it's local, it generates these MD files across folders and nested folders that I can just open in codex and open that folder and tell my Asian look. I have a Greg, Greg Eisenberg podcast. I want you to prepare all of these screens. I want you to prepare, you know, 10 sections or 10 notes or do research. And it has all of that knowledge and it can create all of those files in one single go, which I think is such a big mode nowadays. Right. You can't like sure some tools can do that. But one, you have to deal with tokens. You have to pay for them. You cannot run locally. And you don't have your own workflow embedded into it. But nowadays, you have something like OpenClaw or Codex or Cloud Code that can do all of that. And it's so scary how good it is. 100%. So, what, you know, you mentioned, you know, Cloud design, you mentioned, you know, all these different platforms, you know, we're talking about Google. So Google Stitch is another one. Like, can you show us how we can, how we can go from, you know, MD file plus HTML to creating something? Sure. First of all, I just want to start with sort of like, you know, getting the MD file, but also focusing on the design aspect. For me, it's really important. But not everyone's going to do that. But I think it makes sense to start with that. So, for example, you know, I don't know if you know variant variant is also very good. Yes, variant.com. You know, I like tools like this because they allow me to get into the sort of creative stage, which I think is incredibly important. And essentially what you want to do is just to remix, you know, click one button, remix, click one button, remix. You find something that you like, you remix, and so on and so forth. So that's why, you know, for me as someone who build or I also find it incredibly enticing. So I go to community, right. And I find something that I like. And, you know, I just, I just remix it really quickly. So, one click, I have a bunch of skills. Like I mentioned before, skills are like ingredients. And, you know, if you go to some of these skills, you're going to see that some of them are so, so powerful. And this is your mode in design because you don't want to look generic. You don't want to have purple gradient. So the only way to do that is, for example, you create a skill for lasers. So I know it sounds funny. But whenever I create a landing page with lasers, everyone clicks on it. I don't know why, but people love it so much because they love special effects. Right. You go to a movie. What, you know, you want to see special effects. You want to see, you know, the Avengers kind of, you know, doing these grand things. So that's the mode. Right. Like nowadays, just having the typography. Having the colors is not enough unless it's a secondary page or unless it's something that is very serious. But if you're talking about a landing page or a promo video or, you know, a slide, you need a mode. So, yeah, you know, like remix super fast, blah, you know, like, you're going to remix this, click one button, you know, and then do that until you're happy. Once you're done with that, with that flow, then you get into the prompt. Right. So each skill has a prompt. So you can copy this. And anything, all of that stuff, like design empty in skills are free. And this is not why you should be paying money. You pay money because of tokens. You pay money for the finished results, such as a template and sort of like the whole sort of automation and whatnot. So, you know, you're going to go to a template, you know, like, I don't know, let's go to this one. And then you're going to download both the HTML and the designer MD. The reason why I'm saying HTML is that, you know, designer MD may not hold all the information that you need to create your first result. It does hold sort of like the typography colors, the foundation, the spacing, some of them, including my own, holds also the WebGL, which I find for those who don't know WebGL is the animation that powers the laser. Right. Without WebGL or 3GS, which is for 3D, you don't have any of that stuff. You only have the typography and some of the reveal animations and some of the rules. So that's why these two elements here for me is really important. And that's what gives you these beautiful animation that makes your site a lot more unique. It goes from, you know, 0 to 50 or 50 to 80 real fast. And so, yeah, I would download the two of them. And, you know, back to here. So we already had the demo. So I might as well show you guys on aura. You can go to design.md. This is why you're going to find all of this stuff. The design. And then you, you take something that you like and you add it to your prompt. So the same way that I download design.md and HTML. I add it to my prompt and now I'm ready to tell what I want for my landing page. So for example, I can say something like, okay, create a landing page for my starter call, you know, I don't know, like aura. And I know really original. So and then it's going to be a chat app that is, you know, that that is using AI and that ship stuff to people to their email, whatever. So let's see what it does. Okay. So now we have the design.md. We have the HTML and then we're just going to create it. Let's hope for the best. But, you know, it's got this. This obviously you don't have to use aura. You can just use whatever tool you want. But I just wanted to show you that that's essentially what you're supposed to do. You download the two files or just a design.md. However, you want that to be. And then you start creating your, your page through that system. From there, you can generate more, you know, elements, more sections, more, because you have the design.md always with you. And also you can bring that to another platform. It's not specific to one platform. And what's your take on Google's Google stage? I haven't gotten deep in it. Right. So for me, honestly, as someone who builds a startup using tokens, you know, it's, it's really unfair to be honest, because they they're able to give all of these stuff for free. And I just realized, you know, what, like I spend almost half a million dollars in token for my startup right now. Right. It's, it's insane. So yeah, you can do basically the same thing. I don't know if this is the correct one. But, you know, like create the landing page for aura. And, you know, you're going to select web and you're going to select a 3.1. Now, what makes it different is that it has an infinite canvas. Oh, I don't know what's going on here. It's also doing stuff differently. And this, this concept of like attaching design.md, which I feel very strongly about, is still like new to a lot of platforms. So as someone who works in AI, your mode is basically you have to be new, you know, you have, like I don't, I'm sure anyone can relate. But you always, when there's a new model that comes, you have to talk about it. Otherwise, you're kind of losing a lot of that sort of an edge that you have all over all of these companies. So the same way with tools. You, you know, and in the same way when you build a startup, you have to utilize all the best technologies and tools. And in this case, we're using a design.md. It's recreating exactly that foundation that we saw on aura. And, you know, it's going to create the same consistent design, whether it's from here or on aura. In this case, I use two different designs. So that's why we have two different designs. But if, you know, in this case, I'm using orless and the other one, I use the one that I click earlier. But, you know, here I can just say, you know, create the footer and it's going to create like add the footer and it's just going to create the footer. But you can see the design using this technique gives me exactly what I want. It also, you know, it also adapted to my design, to my brand, to my copywriting. And then from here, you can use skills, right? Like, for example, I love to use skills like if you go to skills, copywriting skill. So this is going to improve your copy by a hundred percent. You know, it's going to look at your text and it's going to make it so much better. So skills, design of MD, HTML, all of these things, if you merge all of them and blend all of them together, you create something really, really powerful. And, you know, to visualize all of this, you know, this is a new tool that I build, which is called new form, you know, you can sort of like in one click, I turn this, you know, which is a motion design, right, I go to prompt and I have all of these skills that I already saved. And then I can just click, oh, I want laser, I'm going to click on laser and it, you know, I can just create another one and another one. So I love the idea of queuing, which is why we have a different products is because like queuing is such a powerful idea that I use all the time. Nowadays I create like three, four products at the same time. I have like multiple chats with sub agents on across all of them. So that's why, you know, I wanted to create something way more focused on the creative aspect. And on top of that, we also have the remix type. Again, all of these are prompts, by the way, like I'm not like, you know, keeping anything behind closed doors, you don't have to use my tools at all. But, you know, I just want to show you visually how, how it is like to turn something into mobile, right, or you know, if I go here to mobile, you're going to see that I have turned my designs into mobile design. Beautiful. You know, I mean, if you look at this, it's hard to tell if this is made by a human or by AI, but I can guarantee you 100% that this was made by AI. And from here, I can just say, okay, I want a slide deck. Okay, I want, you know, a motion design. I want the hero section of, you know, and then I'm doing six design at the same time, which is so good, so good for the creativity. It kind of reminds me of how mid-journey works. You know, on mid-journey, you kind of, I haven't used mid-journey in like a year and a half maybe, but like that concept around, you can like, generate multiple things. And what's really cool about this is like, you get into this flow state of like, okay, I want this. I want that. I'm going to queue this up. And it's really fun. I agree. Like the concept of queueing is not new per se. I'm just saying, you know, a lot of the things that we do, see here, it just transform into mobile. And a lot of the things we do can just be transferred so easily because we have this concept of like skills and design.md. So, you know, one of your guests, for example, was talking and he calls himself like a skills maxi, which I find it really funny, because I totally agree. Like, for me, I don't put anything in my agents.md because I have my design.md, which I use per project. And then I have my skills, which I use per workflow. And if you only change the agent.md, oftentimes, you know, first of all, it costs a lot more tokens, but also it's too general. Like, it doesn't apply to every single workflow out there. So here I added the laser. And here I turn it into a slide. You know, like, again, it's so, so fun to queue and to sort of like expand your creativity across all of this stuff. So, you have something like oral, lovable, visceral, which allows you to chat and sort of like evolve into something into a product. But I think what people sort of underestimate a lot is the design aspect, which is, you know, how do you come up with new sections that are unique, right? How do you, you know, work on the creativity? And how do you learn about all of this stuff? Because if you don't learn this stuff, you know, you're just focusing so much on the chat. And you're just chatting, chatting, chatting, and then giving commands in the I do all the work for you, then you're not making any decision, or at least you're not making the best decision for your product. Can you quickly go back? I'm just curious more than anything. Like the skills section of new form, I think it's called. Yes. Like, it's what happens when I click there? Yes. So you have access to, right now we have 63 skills about I'm adding more every day. So for example, you have a skill for skill more for design. For those who don't know skill more for design is kind of like the realistic design that Apple used to use before the flat design. And it's a prompt. It's just a prompt. And you can copy this from and you can just tell your agent to use, you know, to use this skill. And then to apply that. So for example, you're going to have something a little bit more embossing, you know, something like this design, for example. You know, it has some of these, you know, shading and stuff like that. A lot of people still love that. I love that when it makes sense. For example, if you do like a DJ app, you might want something with a little bit more realistic. You want a button that is likable as Steve Jobs says, well, yeah, you need to skew more for design, right? And we also have a skill for, you know, for the 3D. So, you know, this little globe here that you put, well, that's 3D. And then you can move that on top of the text, which makes it look really nice. So a lot of likes every skill can be anything, you know, it can be like a batch design, like this one. And you can have, you know, all of these are also copyable. So for example, if you only want just the colors, you can just copy the colors or you just want the typography. So not only do you learn how to sort of like add to your arsenal, all of these keywords that you did, what is font smoothing, what is sound fun, what is system fun, what is a body font or what is the secondary color, what is the second button. So all of these things are really useful when you, you know, chat with your AI agents and, you know, sometimes I condense it into just one word, okay, fix the spacing, fix the gap, you know, fix this, fix that. And it's just so powerful to learn all of this stuff because it's all part of the design of.md and it holds so much richness to how you can manage your design. And it must be cool for you because you've been, you know, you've been teaching designers for years now. And these are, you know, mostly, I mean, train designers. Now anyone is a designer. That's such a good point, honestly. You know, when, when I first started, nobody was using like most designers were not coding. And nowadays, everyone is coding, including non designers. You know, before like 10, 20 years ago, everyone was using Photoshop and then sketch and then Figma. But nowadays, everyone is a designer and everyone is kind of like downloading a template on html or design.md and then suddenly they have the most beautiful landing page. Sure, they want shot it. Sure, they don't know how to change it or make it better, but they still have an amazing one shot, you know, one shot prompt. But what I want to teach here is the whole workflow so that you don't end up with just a one shot shot thing. And how do you, you know, can you guess how many prompts that I used to build these products? Just give me a number. How many prompts do you think I use? It's definitely not one shot. I don't know a couple that couple dozen, 20, 25. At least a thousand. Yes. This is how obsessive one can be when it comes to creating. Yes. Like I'm building four products right now. Or a new form. Well, this, I don't really count as a product. I have a dream cut, which I'm going to be revealing soon. It's a Mac app. And, you know, I'm also a rebuilding design code from scratch. So four products are all at once. And I'm not even including the side products like this one, which honestly, I love using it just because I'm able to tell my agent to write everything for me. And I'm able to just generate these images, these YouTube covers using a history of my portrait that I save into this because there's no tool that does this, right? Like you, you build tools literally because nothing else is doing it. And there's nothing else that has a slider that says, okay, I want this to be exactly or I want this to be loosely inspired. Like have you seen this UI before? I've never seen that. I see a lot of products. Exactly. And the only reason why we're able to kind of get there is because we're building something for ourselves, right? And it's such a powerful thing. So if you look at the whole workflow, right, you start with reference every designer, every someone who starts drawing something, they always copy first, they always start with reference to design the MD or in most cases, they're just taking like copying or prompt somewhere. And we generate, we inspect, and then eventually using the designer MD, you systemize. And then like I said, you iterate, this is where I get like to 1000 iterations. And then you, you know, and then you remix it to turn it into more a medium such as the slide, you need marketing material, Instagram slides, promo videos, you need like intros, you need, you know, something for your hyper frames or for your emotion. Whatever it is, you're essentially remixing at this point because you're happy because you've done 1000 iterations, you're happy with your product, you're happy where it's going, you feel there's a soul to it. Because I think most people, what they tend to forget is that humans, they don't see the soul across the street. We do, okay, we like, we're innate to that. I don't know how to say it, but Steve Jobs said it very well. When you use a product, and when you really like, take a magnifier and you look into it, you really feel the care that is put into it. It's not because we have AI that we can just skip all of that care, right? It just happens that that care is not residing into the prompting and sort of the workflow, the club, you know, the open claw. The things, the 1000 iterations that I do, I've never worked more in my entire life on more products, like on more prompts in my entire life than now. AI is not making me lazier, AI is making me more work more. We get into the expansion and we export our product and it becomes like a final product that we can ship. So iteration versus remix, this is a very important concept. Like I mentioned in my slider iteration is when you're happy with the result and you want to kind of like do small incrementations and remix is when you want to build a new product category, for example. So I love the idea of iteration more and I use this, I would say 90% of the time and 10% of the time. And then yeah, I already did the demo. Okay, so we can talk about what designer, what has changed for designers. So what I believe is that everything is changing and we're doing a lot less of the moving pixels, moving rectangle and resizing things. We're doing a lot more judgment per minute. In fact, you know, for me, the agent is more like someone who's doing a lot of the sort of the moving pixels and the coding and then I have to make the right decisions. I remember the CEO of Amazon was saying like if you make a really good like one powerful decision in a day or a few powerful than that changer entire business and I think I you know, I agree with that, you have to make these extremely powerful decisions and also you have to make these incredibly, incredibly small decisions as well. Just because the AI is not intelligent enough to make the smaller decisions yet, but eventually is going to get bigger and bigger decision is going to become bigger and bigger. And then, you know, that's kind of what's changed. We're shifting our, you know, or creativity and we're shifting to something that is more, you know, looking for a high level. I've never done more marketing in my life. I've never done more YouTube videos in my life or slides and and promo videos. So yeah, this is what's changed. We're now everyone is like a creator. Everyone's like an Instagram, you know, a filmmaker or some sort. So this is, you know, I think this is what's what's happening. There's so many ideas that we can create. And yeah, you know, I don't want to get too, too deep into the slides. I want to get to your questions obviously. Yeah, I think, you know, just your point around like you've never done more in your life. I think what's also interesting is like you're your team of one. Am I, is that correct? Like, am I correct? I'm, I'm a team of many, but not because of what I'm doing right now right now. I'm kind of like a team of one. Like all of these products I'm showing right now is me building them by myself. Yeah. But the reason why I still have a team is because I started in the days of design code and I build this team that I grew really fond of. They started from nothing. They haven't gone to school like myself. I haven't I haven't gone to school to study design. I drop out of college. And then I learn everything on the field. I started my first job at 18 and then, you know, started my first company at 22. So, you know, a lot of like everyone in my team started from nothing. And, you know, I feel very attached to them, which is why I have them with me. But you're right, you know, like, like all of these products, I started by myself. I work on them for a month, a thousand iterations, maybe more than some of them, 10,000 iterations. And I arrive to a point where it's mature enough. And then we get to the team to build templates and videos and sort of like the material that expands on that. And, you know, I came across this quote, this fake quote from Steve Jobs on his final bed, you know, when he was passing it. But it's apparently it's a fake one, but it was saying like, if you want to go, if you want to go really fast, you start alone, you start solo. But if you want to go far, you need to be in the team. So that's what I think right now. Like most of us, we start solo because we cannot go any faster, right? We're like operating a fleet of, you know, 10, 20 agents, all at once. And that's great. But eventually you need to get people with you. You know, you need to be part of a mission. And then you need to sort of sort of like, you know, make these videos that feel more authentic because people crave authenticity. They want real people. They want real craftsmanship behind all of these pixel lead at some point because, you know, the cracks are going to show if you only use AI, you know, the whole way. Yeah, I think there's, I think there's two types of people. I think there's the first type of person, which is what you're saying, which is like, go build product market fit, start scaling. And then from there, hire a team. And the second type of person is the person who just loves being alone wolf, you know, who just loves doing everything themselves. And I think what's cool about what you're doing, you know, you're essentially building a holding company of products as a one person business. Yes, you know, some, some of your businesses, you're scaling with, you know, with people and stuff like that. But, you know, the majority of it is being run by one person. And you couldn't do that a few years ago. And I think more importantly than, you know, within the context of this episode, it's like, you're creating beautiful products. Like these products that you're creating are stunning. They're nuanced. They look really good. And I want to end just with, you know, what, you know, in terms of building beautiful products. You know, we talked about design MD. We talked about skills. We talked about a lot of these other tools variant or some of the new tools you're working on. Is there anything else you want to leave people with in terms of how you can create job dropping designs. Yeah, so like I said, your only mode is you being able to catch up with what is going on. Because if you look at everything that is legacy, that is already solved with all of these big companies that have millions and now there's hundreds of millions in the bank to tackle on these big things. So as people who are starting new ideas, the only mode that we have right now is just we can, you know, just click a button and we can say, we, you know, we found this new model, it literally cooked all the designers and whatnot. It's funny. I know, I know we all hate it and it becomes a meme. But at the same time, it reflects a reality in which we are today, which is that that's how we survive as a spacey, right? We cannot compete anymore with the big companies and we have so many ideas in our head and we can finally realize them with just a few prompts, at least to get to an MVP. That is usually good enough to launch a product and there's just so many ideas because of it. So for example, design.md just came out and I already built like a bunch of features and I could totally build a startup out of that if I wanted to, right? QA, right? Design, memory, this is what's solved a lot by open call nowadays is when the idea is like it has a whole memory inside your desk inside your computer, you know, reusable taste marketplace. And I want to leave with one final thing, which is that taste is the real value here. And when I say taste, I don't necessarily just mean design taste. Obviously design taste is very cool and it's very powerful and I think that's my secret sauce. But for a lot of people your taste can be, you know, like if you look at the taste of going of making so many cup of copies every morning, you eventually knows exactly how to do it. Taste encoding, taste in building apps, you have to just be surrounded by good design, right? You have to look at good designs, not just be served by it, but also to look for it everywhere. You have to use every app in your niche, you have to follow every, you know, makers and creators in your niche. And niche is the keyword here because you cannot compete anymore with people who are generalized. It's too difficult. Nowadays, we want authenticity, we want niche, we want taste. And if something looks like another thing, it kind of reduced the value by like almost 10 to 100x in my opinion, right? Like nowadays I see a website with purple gradient. I'm like, I don't want to, I don't want to even want to scroll anymore. And I'm sure a lot of people feel the same way when we see like a website that looks just like another one. So yeah, develop your taste, rinse and repeat, you know, follow what's going on and, you know, get that to that mode that you have and learn the workflow. Like everything that I taught here, get your designer MD, get the templates, learn about the skills and the prompting behind the skills. And then I think you're going to be doing just fine. I love that. I also think a lot of us have second brains for our notes or meeting notes ideas that we have, but a lot of us don't have a second brain for design inspiration. So I think the idea of when you see something in the real world or on the digital world where you're like, this is really cool, capturing that and putting it somewhere where you're like, you can, you know, when you're, when you're trying to create something new, you can refer back to your second brain for creative inspiration. What do you think about that? 100%. I mean, I think whether you call it a second brain or you're creative side of the brain or, you know, something that keeps you going because, you know, we crave purpose, we crave to be praised. And you cannot get, you cannot get there, you know, you cannot get to that purpose. If you don't somehow gets excited by it and kind of explore something new and adapt to a new reality. And I think, like I said, taste is so, so important. This is where we develop that we make all of these micro decisions super quickly. In an instant, you can tell right away if the design is good or not or if there's a care behind it or not, you know, you touch like a phone, like an iPhone and you're like, you feel right away, this is extremely high quality and you want to use this as your, you know, as your main daily driver. So, yeah, you know, please use your creative brain, please use your second brain, please use your, you know, your taste every step of the way and don't don't let AI do everything for you. And even if you do let AI do a lot of things for you, make sure that it's part of the workflow that you already mastered, right? Man, I appreciate you coming on all include links where you can follow me to get some creative inspiration as well as links for some of the tools he's working on that you can go and play with go check it out in the description in the show notes. Thank you so much for coming on. I hope you come back on soon again. When, when Google or, you know, or, you know, open AI and cloud come with something new about design, I'll be happy to come on again. I'm super, super honored to come here. You're, you're a good friend of mine. You also come from the same town as me. You speak French like me. Well, at least your family do. So it's always a pleasure Greg and thank you so much. This means the world to me. I appreciate you, man. I'll catch you later. All right. Bye-bye.