I let OpenClaw run my organic marketing (while I sleep)

I heard about a guy who lives in a random small town in England who was able to turn his open claw into a marketing machine. Basically a digital employee who goes and creates TikTok videos and TikTok slideshows that gets millions of views and he takes these millions of views and he directs it into a mobile app that generates him money every single day. What's crazy about this whole thing is he gives away all the sauce for free and in this episode you are going to learn how you can set up your open claw so that it too is a content creation marketing machine and I know it's gonna get your creative juices flowing. Oliver doesn't do a lot of podcasts so please like and comment to get him fired up to share more in public so that we can all learn and I'm grateful for him for coming on the pod and sharing it with you all. Have a creative day and I'll see you in there. Oliver Henry on the startup ideas podcast welcome welcome by the end of this podcast what are people gonna get out of it. People are gonna get an automated marked until that is gonna automatically drive revenue to their apps. I mean that feels too good to be true although I hope that's the case. Which tools are you gonna use and why is it not too good to be true? So I've got the results on the screen it may not look like a lot of subscriptions but this is all this is $304 dollars of monthly revenue coming in without me touching anything using the Larry marketing skill that I created for open claw agents and we can get into how that is creating content and what it is learning to massively increase MRR autonomously by itself. Okay cool so what we're gonna learn today is we're gonna learn about open claw and specific skills around marketing growing your business automating it yes MRR is hundreds of dollars a month but hopefully if this works that can get into thousands tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands is that right correct I'm already trying it on multiple apps so I'm not touching these apps at all I've not created the apps I have lit just published them live on the app store and they are generating me hundreds of dollars it's almost a thousand dollars in total now from doing nothing which I think is a great start. Alright let's see let's see what let's see how we do this. Sure so one I use my open claw agent Larry who automates all my TikTok marketing and this is one of the main reasons why it hasn't scaled into thousands of MRR it's because I am only doing this on one TikTok currently and then I've got one TikTok for each of my apps that I'm trying to do before I start scaling and this one is in a very good position to start scaling to give you the background context of how this app came about I created that app because we moved into a house me and my girlfriend moved into a house and we wanted to decorate the house we were using chat GBT and I very quickly learned that she was not very good at prompting chat GBT and it was given all sorts of random messages so then I created a lockdown prompt in chat GBT to keep the room size the same the windows that's in the same places because it was adding windows where they shouldn't add indoors where they shouldn't so we locked down the prompt and I turned it into an app and I thought now I've got to market it so I started with that exact story helping my girlfriend build an app and doing facial videos myself trying to promote the app until I then started doing slideshows so I think this is the first slideshow that we created and it started to get more more views more traction but it was taking time like I've worked full-time job I do obviously I was developing the app developing the other apps on the side and I didn't have time so then I tried go into a sass tool that automates your automates your marketing for you and I love the guys that make the product I think they're great but unfortunately their product just didn't work very well for me but I knew this was the type of content that I wanted to create so you can see it got 800 views 400 this one got 400 views still using the images so you can sort of see how Larry was becoming and then I posted this one so I manually created this one again on Canva and this is what got 6000 views and that's where it started blowing up so I knew that the the text must have been something the hook must have been something and this is where I learned about OpenClaw and at this exact moment I said I created my OpenClaw machine Larry he sat behind me and at this moment I installed him and he had one task I said Larry your goal is to automate my marketing I do not want to do it I don't like doing it I had an app before this that I hated marketing so much I did hook and demo videos where it's a facial reaction and then going into a demo of your app with a text hook so I would write all my text hooks in a text file I would then record my my face doing a lot of reactions and then I had all my demo videos and I wrote a script to combine all of these and make all the possible combinations of the hook plus demo plus text as it could and this would generate about 400 videos each time that I could just bulk up load using a bulk scheduler and that was still taking me about three hours but it didn't really work very well with slideshows and I knew that for this niche slideshows are going to work so this is where Larry came in quick break to invite you just something now this isn't an ad I just want to invite you to a free event because I think that you're going to get a lot out of it I wanted to take one hour of time where we just talk about building businesses in the age AI people say sass is dying I actually believe the quite opposite I think that sass is just evolving I think right now is an incredible time to be building software startups that help you craft your dream life and for all those reasons I'm said I said let's just book one hour of time it's going to be 11 a.m. March 12th that's a Thursday where we can go and lock in and just talk about building businesses in the age AI I'll include a link in the description and the show notes to join and I can't wait to see you there and what Larry is is my open-claw machine and I gave him access to posting on TikTok TikTok analytics and then he could post and look at what posts perform the best and I gave him X and well I gave him X before there was all the drama with the APIs and then canceling the canceling the usage and having to use the official API so this was early on on a separate account and then also his brave browser and I just said look go find out in my niche what creates a high-convert in slideshow so then we got started and this was way just on that like a lot of people think of software software as a service they're like I need this tool social media management tool slide show tool and then I'm going to go hire people to go or do myself and I'm gonna go do it but there's this shift that's happening right now that instead of basically going to a tool to automate a function you say to yourself okay if this was an AI employee how can I spin this up and that's that's what you did right Oliver yeah so I just thought of Larry as a AI employee almost like a virtual assistant hiring a virtual assistant with one job to do this one thing and that was his sole purpose to go research go find out as much as he could about slide shows in my niche and figure it out himself and he started to do a very good job so this is the first slide he created and instantly you can tell it looks rubbish so this create was created with the Dali three image model and then it goes into a slightly better model afterwards but because the image looked AI it was a massive turn off it's users didn't like it the format was wrong it had the black bars and that's why it flopped and then we started trying more hooks you can see then he's started trying facial reactions because they were trending at the time the problem with this is humans are extremely good are recognizing what a human is which makes us extremely good at recognizing what an AI human is and I still don't think it's fully nailed uh Gemini just released Nano Banana 2 and I've seen some very good images created on that but I've not tried it myself to go in depth so we kept we kept trying and then we finally hit our first banger of 137,000 views here and it was the hook when you say we finally found your boi found the banger my boi yeah so honestly at this point it was still me I felt like I was still hand holding him so I cool my open crawl machine him it just makes it easier to ignore it but I was still hand holding him and checking his work before I was posting it I didn't trust him fully so I saw this and what I get Larry to do he creates the content and he puts the text overlay on he creates the images he makes the description but I was just checking it to make sure it all looked good and then I was posting it so there are two ways that you can post to TikTok is fully through the API and post that TikTok live straight away all the way I do it with Larry and the way I fully recommend is posting it as a draft and then posting it from your mobile yourself and the reason to do this is TikTok knows if it's posted through an API and it just assumes like you would that is posted by a bot and it's just bot a content especially in the age of AI and it gives it a very little chance to do well if you post it from your phone it assumes a human's post in it but the most important thing is by posting it as a draft you can add sounds which we all know is a huge boost to the algorithm on TikTok and it allows you to add sounds to your slideshow so every single slideshow I pick the sound the description is already created from Larry so I just get a notification to my phone saying your your post is ready from TikTok Larry also text me that he's just posted it and then I just add a sound and press post so I'm doing that each time but at this point I was still flicking through the slides myself making sure they're okay but this one did very well 187,000 views so then we knew that this is the format this kind of look we look we picked an image model that changed we picked an image model that matched what we were showing in our app and then we went back to our previous winner the difference between 500 and $5,000 taste so remember he has access to all of my TikTok analytics so he went back and he found this video here with 6000 views and he was like right now we found the winner in the image formula let's go back to the previous winning hook sorry I have a question like when you say he's gone and found this or something has happened is he texting you is he using you know telegram do you have mission control like how how do you how how are you communicating with them so I don't really believe in the mission control stuff or multi-agent I just have Larry as the the one agent that I text through WhatsApp and we just message like he would an employee so nothing fancy Larry what you're generating today take a look back through the the previous winners this was back then is all automated in the Larry skill now that he will every now and then go look at your TikTok analytics and find out what the winners were but this was the stage of of building it and building the system finding out what worked so it was still very much me saying hey go look at go look at the TikTok analytics some people say you know the one of the first things you should do when you're installing your open claw is to create a mission control you know vibe code a mission control vibe code like I can ban board to kind of see how your AI employee is you know moving moving and progressing through your project but you you don't think that's the case no I don't think that's the case I think if that was necessary it would have been built into open core what default I think the way open crawl works and the way the the creator intends is to just have one agent and spin up sub agents when you want to keep using your main agent so if I knew that if I know there's going to be a task it's going to take Larry a while such as creating an app I'll tell him to explain it to a sub agent so then I can keep using him for other tasks such as talking to maybe even building another product talking to about my app analytics how we can improve the onboarding and brainstorming so I really use Larry to brainstorm and then he creates sub agents to to do most of the tasks by doing that Larry has all the all the context that he can then pass to the sub agent as well so whoever the context of all the brainstorming and he can feed that feed that to the sub agent so we we get another miss the difference between five hundred and five thousand dollar taste this hits three thousand but then this is where I started to get really excited and in three videos we've got one that we get another banger of one thousand seven one hundred and seventy thousand views and it was I showed my mom what AI thinks our living room could be and this is where the next section of Larry comes in because we had three hundred thousand views within a day or two days I believe it was but the conversions to the app were just not there and this is the next stage of Larry's growth is we are now knowing how to generate views but we are not getting high conversions to our app we're not getting downloads we're not getting we're not getting paying users which is obviously the key point of all this so we had to look into what was wrong I sent Larry go find out what's wrong and it was our CTA so our call to action slide is our last slide and on this one you can instantly find out why no one has downloaded this app she's redecorating now snugly it doesn't say anything I obviously didn't check this one or I thought it might work so no one downloaded the app no one bought so that is when I thought right to be clear the app is called snugly right that app is called see even you had to ask the question so it's a very bad CTA that app is called snugly and that's actually what we put in now where we feed that in directly to users so they know it's an app and what it does it's really funny though it's actually hilarious because it's like she's redecorating now and then it's snugly it's like your poor mom you know she's just she's just she's redecorating and snugly you know but we're at that's where mom's at today it's the most AI slide you've ever seen and you can imagine why you can see why it didn't convert at all so then we realized like okay if we get in low views the CTA is bad if we're sorry if we're getting low views the hook is bad if we're getting low views and low conversions to the app the CTA is bad but it is possible to have low views and a high percentage of them download the app that day so then we know the CTA is probably good but the hook was bad and now Larry is starting to use all of this information to learn but then there's a whole new challenge of when users are on the app they're not paying so we'll get onto that but then that is the last section of Larry and the Larry skill what I want to say is the Larry skill you shouldn't think of it as just tick-tock automation or content creation you can you don't have to do slides you can plug and play whatever content you want so you can use video generation and plug that in the Larry funnel is really the full loop of having your it's the Larry loop basically of having your tick-tock analytics the content creation feed the analytics back into the content until you get a winner and then also your end goal so mine is obviously app downloads so I feed my app metrics back into the top of the funnel so he can iterate on that but you can be selling a product you can be getting traction to your website and it's all just the metrics that you're feeding back into the top of the funnel so your agent can understand okay we're getting people to the website but they're not going to where we want or we're getting people to the website and they're not paying and you can do this in as many ways as you want the funnel is the Larry loop is more the iteration rather than it is the just the content creation it's a fuller picture so then we get we have quite a good week here all over 10k some getting 150k this one got 400k and taught us another lesson that the images don't have to be perfect so this is the exact moment I just let Larry crack on himself because I remember this well he posted this and it was late at night I was literally just getting into bed and he said the post is ready and I flamed at him like I was in a bad mood I was like why have you put the text to the top we spent ages deciding to put the text in the middle the oven disappears so in the images I said look I'm posting this anyway but this is no good and that was my last message I sent to him and then I wake up it's on hundreds of thousands of views and it's our best performer to this day and you can see he doesn't ever put the text back up back up to the top to where it was but what we learn is boomers love to point out the mistakes so where's the hobgon how are we going to cook our food and then that's where's the cooker guess I'll be air frying everything then and I was like right this is just helping even more to drive conversions and then on the last slides you can see then on the last slides you can see the CTA is now the snugly app helped me finally convince how to get the kitchen done so there's a direct call to action that they know it's the snugly app now it's amazing because the boomers think that but they're poking fun at you yeah do they know they're helping the content just get more and more viral and the funny a la to that is I don't even check look you see my activity I don't even check it I just all I'm doing is going into it to find out why that video done so well and try and feed that back to Larry but at this point that is just when I let him I let him go nuts and just create his own content I let him loose you let him loose because you know you thought that his content was subpar it turns out to be the best performing content yeah you've ever posted in your life yeah and so now he's the boss he he becomes the boss and this is what I'm trying to tell people it is an iterative thing so a lot of people try the Larry skill and they tell me it didn't work I got 700 views that's like that's your first post I got 700 views on my first post you need to keep iterating the content you have to spend the time letting it learn find out what's best and honestly don't mark the work too much make it look how you want like I obviously perfected the text and make the text look correct and readable but this post proved that they actually know best they've got all the metrics they need to create the perfect content just let them go nuts on it and figure out why and then you can see here it starts working extremely well like 109,000 75,000 he has a he has a miss 2576 230 but this is where it gets so interesting so obviously the landlord hook was our our highest performer and it's our constantly higher performer but you can see here it only gets 2000 views so we do mum and then mum 100,000 75,000 then we do landlord again and it's only on 7,000 okay back to mum 25,000 and then landlord 76,000 so okay gives him a bit of a boost nan 200,000 which is important this gets 200,000 then I showed my landlord again 132 so now you can see that we're just switching between the winners and he's iterating the content that's doing well then at the top you can see that landlord switches to only 8,000 we go back to nan 70,000 landlord again only 7,000 then again 4000 post nan again 300,000 so here he saw this and saw that landlord is not hitting the percentages it was and it's only hit one video in five posts and now you can see he's not posted it again we've actually tried new content today I've been staring at the same boring kitchen for three years so he's obviously seen that we're not hitting the hundreds of thousands of views in the last four videos so now he is automating this content and changing it himself and we've gone back to the kitchen but put a new hook I think this one's only just been uploaded five hours ago so I don't think it's a fair fair representation yet this one's could still grow but it's all about learning because obviously the algorithm changes it's not just going to keep pumping the same winning content all the time so it will start failing eventually again but it's all about taking your opportunities when you are getting these when you are getting these high converting videos or high performing videos to try and maximize it back into the app so when you say he's coming up with these ideas on his own now like for example right now like he kind of deviated away from what you know you initially agreed upon it's he did you tell him like hey go and look at other accounts or specific formats like what basically what what was your conversation like with him such that he has become independent and he seems to be coming up with new hooks that seemed to be you would think are somewhat validated yeah so he's going back to his research to see what was working but recently where we haven't been hitting the high converting videos I've actually done a bit of manual brainstorming with him today I could go into this with you let me just try and catch up to where we are so he's got my analytics I also sent him some screenshots of things and he got it wrong but he thought he sent 37 drafts but it was only 37 in notifications for TikTok anyway I asked him why he's chosen some hooks that he's generated because they didn't sound very good to me so you can see here he goes through here are my hooks based on the winning formula a family member roast plus a specific insult plus showed them AI so then he he explains himself of these are working these were getting views these are proven forms and then I've said I don't think that looks like hooks are actually the best ones I think there could be ones or what AI thinks it could look like ones are so he goes you're right looking at the data again the winners are aren't insults they're reveals and then he explains himself to 100,000 views this one got 109 this one got 419 and then he realizes the hook is curiosity and AI and then I'm just like it gives me some things to be honest I didn't even read them I just saw the numbers were pretty much the same and I I said that just generate one of each and then tomorrow we'll we'll do one of each one again so now he's set up a cron job that tomorrow he's going to post this one this one and this one then this one 27 and 10 and then 38 and 11 and again I just trust him with that he's based it off actual analytics that he's getting from TikTok but we did a whole brainstorm of going into what's driving revenue what's actually getting revenue and the most interesting thing he's done recently I can I can go back to my analytics he has completely rewritten my onboarding because he has the the analytics from my app and you can see here it's massively helped this this got published two days ago and this is the most new users I've had in a day for a long long time so you can see that one day one day 22 hours 10 hours this one was one hour ago and the new subs are just are just coming in unfortunately there's high chance so people are subscribing and then unsubscribing that's a whole issue in itself and if you've built that before you'll understand that but it's incredible that as I said it's not just the TikTok creation it's actually the driving driving to the app and I've given this all away for free so this is how a lot of people probably know about me I wrote a viral article because I hate marketing I figured lots of other builders hate marketing it was on my X feed all the time how people don't want to do it etc so I was like right I'm going to free everyone from doing this this is the exact playbook and I wrote the playbook and then I just started learning about skills and how skills are just going to in my opinion change how we know sass all together so I created the free larry skill you can install it it gives your agent everything you need to install it that's on larrybrain.com and it's called the larry marketing skill but how skills are going is just incredible open-claw really feels like when the PC first came into the home and I select few power users were using it and then it got picked up by everyone everyone realized how powerful these things can be how much use they can have and that is where open-claw is people are only just discovering the capabilities of it and skills are infinitely powerful because they're not just a black box so anything that you download from larrybrain you own that thing so I released another skill on there which was to prove that sass products no longer have to be hosted in the cloud they don't they no longer have to be hosted on a domain owned by someone else so I made a super x alternative I like the super x product I just used it as a proof of concept that you can build sass products as full skills now you no longer have to pay for hosting you no longer have to pay for a domain you no longer have to pay for storage handle authentication you can download products locally and the whole are look at what I built local host meme has come true because you can host this locally because open-claw is a server on your home machine and it's very important to remember that these skills aren't a black box so when I created this excellent skill I got told that the I got told that the color wave was terrible and they hate it I was like well just ask your agent to change it then like you own you own it it knows everything about this skill it's all in the skill and defile you no longer have to be at the mercy of the developer if you don't like something if you don't like the UI larry if you don't like the image generation of what video if you don't use the same backend for the app I'd use then plug in your own stuff it's a skill it's just teaches your agent the best way to think about it is when neo gets plugged into the matrix and he wakes up and he knows kung fu that's exactly what skill is you give that agent the context and then they have it and you let it rip so is your vision for larry to remain as a marketing assistant well you know so for example if if you decided like hey I actually think I need help with conversion rate optimization and I need help with brand design I need help with product design does it make sense to create you know a new instance or you got then going to use larry as both a marketing assistant and a product assistant so larry is now my right hand man so he has the context of everything so of course I built larry brain with larry's help he has the full context of that and the best thing that we've been doing is where we've been building them his skills he can one revert back to the skill file but also we've been creating our memory files for each of our of our projects so he has a larry brain memory file he has a larry marketing memory file and everything we've been doing he can revert back to so if he ever loses context I'm backing up these files if he ever breaks dies if I ever want to move to a different machine I have these files that I can just move and plug into a new computer I can give back to him or if he loses context just say look go look at these files read through it and learn it again and then he's back in the game don't even don't even mention larry dying like don't even don't even be so sad you do out in the in the world come on that that's just I don't need that you know that's come on he he looks old but I don't know if you can how well that shows but the fans have been white for so long that the LEDs are dying and they're going this like pinky purpley color and yeah so that's how old the PC is the lights have literally been on for so long that they're losing their color are you using any local models or you know talk us through what models you're using and there's a lot of debate now around you know opus 4.6 chat GPT I think launch a new one what is it 5.4 so I was so close to moving to open AI the other day but they're they're useful model they're useful plan that I'll find useful it's 200 pounds a month the one before that is 20 and that's a huge leap if you're not going to find use and you just want somewhere in the middle ground I use opus I use Claude Max plan and I just use the 90 pounds a month plan because I don't need the full one for 200 I don't I'm do slightly more than the the non pro plan so it fits perfectly for me and I think that's what let's open AI down I've not tried any of these edge case models like Kimmy or something like that just because to be honest I know that I don't trust them I just don't think they've had enough real-world use I'd rather go with the market leader in things like AI because let's be honest anthropic chat to open AI are the cutting edge so I'm gonna I'm gonna stay there and trust trust they know what they're doing new benchmarks coming from open AI suggests 5.4 is a little bit better than 4.6 but tough to say you know I think for most people what they should do is just pick like get started you know you don't need a worry about you know is open AI a little bit better than anthropic like the reality is you know you can think of it as like Ferrari and Lamborghini like both cars are gonna go fast and you know one day one car might go faster and another day another car might go faster but that's the way to think about for now although a lot of people are saying like just use this just use this but they overall I just think that people over optimize that's kind of like my point yeah I think people are massively over optimized in I think for I'd say I'll go far say to say 98% of users won't notice the difference between the tiny increments of 4.6 to spending the time to switch to the latest open hour model and they probably wouldn't even notice a difference I would just pick one learn it learn how it works figure out how it works best for you and start start teaching it I think with things like open claw it's not so much how the model works it's how you're working with it and how you're using skills and the context that has around those skills what do you say to people who who've seen open claw who might have installed it barely use it but have also seen like co-work and some of these other cloud hosted you know Manus now has a you know sort of open claw competitor like a lot of these you know co-work cloud hosted versions like what do you say like why my point is why is open claw better than whatever cloud alternative exists the key one is you own it it's in your house you own the files you have a lot of control over it however I use Manus a lot and I think Manus is excellent especially with the integrations it has out the box if you're sat on the fence about if you think open claw is going to be useful to and you're one of these crazy people that wants to buy a Mac Mini just for open claw I would highly recommend just start with Manus seeing what you can achieve with that and you definitely don't need a whole Mac Mini for open claw the minimum requirements are very low just get something that hits those minimum requirements and has a lot of storage to to store all the work that you're doing it yeah I mean I remember when I learned how to ride a bike like my first bike first of all was not a bike I first you need to learn how to crawl then you need to learn how to walk then you need to learn how to run and then your first bike is like you know it was a bike with training wheels you know it's basically a bike that you can't fall off of and that's basically the equivalent of a Manus or they could work right you can't fall off like well there are some things that you couldn't do that you know could be bad but it's it's rare and far between few between once you've gotten to that point where you're you feel comfortable and it's almost boring to be on training wheels then go and grab you know grab a computer install something like open claw yourself there's also some offshoots of like open claw I'm sure you've seen yeah I probably want to do a whole episode on like what are these you know you know I think like nano claws one what are some other ones well they're all based off the same open claw technology I but again it's what you said now we're riding motorbikes with open claw when you get bored of that and you want to move to the Tron world then start testing other things like but you're at the mercy of of the internet who is maintaining these things I think now open AI on open claw the security is going to get a lot tighter things are going to be a lot a lot smoother you don't want to be at an edge case where you don't really know who you're at the mercy of because if there's a vulnerability the things that you are storing on these machines are very valuable and you won't want them to get lost especially if you're connecting them to every device in your home you don't want you don't want everything on every device that you own getting out because I'm sure we can all imagine how bad that could be absolutely uh you know for people who want to get started um you know we can leave it at this like what do you suggest and and just fire people up you know about this like what can you say that fires them up to motivate them to actually do this I think if you want to get started Larry brain is the best place to get started it is not just a skills marketplace it is one subscription and your agent gets the entire context of all the skills so when you first get open claw you will ask it questions and it won't know how to do stuff and you have to give it skills if you get Larry brain you get the context of the entire marketplace so you can ask your agent to do something it will say oh there's a Larry brain skill available for that do you want to download it you download it and then it can instantly start helping you the the Larry skills one of them the super ex alternative I mentioned is one of them they're both free so you can get Larry brain tested find out how it works and then we've got over 80 skills now available for you to to download and its main goal is to help you achieve your goals so you say I want to do this I want to make more money oh here are the skills available to help you do that I think that will massively help anyone download an open claw for the first time speed up and I think a lot of the people who you mentioned who are stuck they don't know where to go with it they download it it's not working for them I think that's going to that's going to super charge their open claw account yeah all right man well I'll include links for where to where to go get started there I'm not affiliated with it at all I just you know want to bring you on because I think that you're building cool stuff you're trying new things you're pushing the edges I think that creating a AI employee that does content creation is really really interesting and it seems to be working I think a lot of people are going to fail at it and you sort of have to fail your way to working just like anything in life you got to stick with it you got to stick with it and keep going and you know this podcast is is really designed not only to you know get people's creative juices flowing show them new tools show them things like Larry brain but also just to show that like I love how you show that not every content piece ripped it you know yeah I don't want to fake anything this is that was the authentic story I'm training it again on a new app I've seen failures on X I've someone wrote a post how they've used Larry brain a nest I low pairs has used Larry brain to scale to over 70,000 mr he's implemented it in his apps using his already created content creation he's implemented the Larry loop to improve the content he was already creating was already winning and he's had massive success so that's crazy what's his name a nesto low pairs he wrote a nesto I know Ernesto I just had coffee with him oh did you yeah yeah he lives in Miami as well he wrote a he wrote an article next about it yeah that's awesome yeah so Ernesto you know creates a set a suite of mobile apps using AI so he's very AI native he's a young guy he's like in his early 20s just absolutely killing it like I think he's doing yes like you said $70,000 a month this is a guy who was like you know working a sales job you know a few years ago it didn't go to a fancy you know college you know didn't didn't come from Silicon Valley so the fact that there's these really interesting stories like Ernesto like what you're doing I just think is really cool and it's cool that you like you have a full-time job like this is something that you're doing right you have a full-time job right yeah I've got full-time job and to be honest it takes me no time at all now so this is the superpower of the AI agents and I can't stress enough I know so many people who are working full-time now and then they can vibe code and vibe code they're marked in vibe codes and everything to just automate that little bit of money that might be able to turn into something like what Ernesto's created and then it's all about learning so at the moment I'm creating hundreds of dollars if I just implement my learnings a little bit more improve my absolute bit more it can turn into thousands and I'm not even trying so it allows me to work full-time job and then it takes me an hour or two hours in the evening of literally texting or sending a voice note to Larry and then it gets done so it's just like having a right hand duplicate yourself and being able to give it tasks and enjoy all the all the laziness and comforts that you have amen and before we go by the way just because we're talking on skills I did find an open-class skill that cuts token usage by 95 percent it's called KMD skill QMD skill does it what I am going to try it tonight but I'll include it in the show notes in the description just in case people are interested you know it's it allegedly works so we'll see and it's just fun to try these things and and and yeah try to get the most out of out of these machines Oliver thank you so much for coming on your breath of fresh air I love your honesty I love that you're tinkering and hopefully hopefully I'll see you soon thank you very much I thought I enjoyed it