Hermes Agent App Clearly Explained (and how to use it)

Hermes desktop app just launched but how do you actually go and make money be more productive using Hermes desktop and Hermes agents in general? So today I have Alex been on and he gives you an entire walk through how to use Hermes desktop app all the nooks and crannies explains everything so so clearly and then we go through some use cases so stick stick around to the end where we show you exactly how you can set up Hermes agents that go and build businesses for you This is the most comprehensive tutorial on Hermes desktop app and Hermes agents on the internet and I can't wait for you to actually go learn build and have some fun Enjoy the episode Alex Finn I need you by the end of this episode to explain to me why I need to get Hermes desktop I need you to walk me through Hermes desktop I need you to show me use cases of Hermes that show me how I can make money be more productive and I need to you to explain me why I need to get off open claw why I need to shut down my telegram and everything in between Alex Finn can you do that by the end of the episode? Greg Eisenberg mission accepted we will do that we will go through why Hermes desktop is the best a i asian experience on planet earth We'll go through every feature every nuance every secret and then we'll show you the sauce We'll go through all the use cases you can do every person watching this video So they can get tremendous amount of value out of Hermes agent All right, let's go All right, we'll do it. Here we go. I'm going to share my screen Great to be speaking with you Greg. I have been deep into Hermes agent desktop the last few days So they released this a few days ago now. I wasn't expecting it I believe this is like the moment that Hermes overtook open claw to be quite honest And as most people probably know I was like the open claw guy I was at a poker tournament last night and a guy I was like hey you're the guy getting paid by open claw right And I'm like no, I don't even talk about open claw anymore. What are you talking about? Um, this is Hermes agent desktop So before everyone was using Hermes and open claw inside telegram Inside signal i-message all of that. I think this is the single best way To use Hermes agent now. I think I don't use telegram on desktop anymore I don't use any other experience. This is clearly the best way to be using Hermes agent There is a lot here. So a few things one sessions all here right So before in telegram if you wanted some idea of sessions or multi-threading You needed to set up threads in telegram which is kind of like an advanced confusing thing to do I know a lot of nerds watching would be like what are you talking about? That's easy for the average person setting up threads in telegram Isn't the easiest thing to do you got to like create separate group chats and then add your bot And then like edit Subjects and here you every time you talk to your Hermes agent It just goes into a new session and you can talk to it So it makes it really nice for like just separating out your context I think the way most people use Hermes agent by default is they have like kind of like a monothread Right like just one big thread where they talk about everything in it The issue is is you kind of like pollute your context with the hundred different things You talk about and so your cost skyrocket like that's like the number one complaint with Hermes Oh my god, I'm paying a thousand dollars a month You if you manage your context in your sessions well you are not paying thousand dollars a month you're not paying anything close to it Alex by the end of this episode can you show maybe a few ways for us to get our Hermes under control like some tips and tricks Absolutely, we'll do that throughout then we'll recap at the end I'll give you a whole bunch of sauce on a saving money with Hermes as well Okay So Save and money with Hermes number one appropriate sessions context especially if you're using like opus which has a million parameters Context can really inflate your bills like three four X your bills. So if you keep things Individual right here's my content session right here's my talking about local model session mode research is my stock research session With the context nice and slim. I'm saving tons of money because the every time I send a message it'll only be That thread itself for those who are little less technical when you send a message to your agent, right? If I were to say generate me an image of a squirrel With Groc imagine With this message it sends everything said before that So if you have one big thread like most people interact with Hermes agent You're sending a massive messages every single time which will cost you tons of money But if you take advantage of Hermes desktop with its multiple sessions and pending an organization you can even put sessions and folders It keeps your context clean which means your messages are much more slim Which means you save a lot more money on your messages. So that's one big thing there The the session management on desktop. It's the best it's better than telegram. It's better than the way 99% of people use Hermes agent There's a lot more to it. That's one of my favorites One of my other favorites is now the organization of profiles So if you can see down here. It's a little tiny. Maybe I can zoom in a little bit. Yeah a little bit You can see a bunch of names down here We got default, Billy, Coder, GPT-MEs, Librarian, Oracle and Quen These are all my different Hermes agents. So for those not as familiar In Hermes, there is this concept of a profile You have multiple profiles Profiles are literally just Separate Hermes agents Each profile has a set of skills Has a soul.mv which is their personality has sets of memories Has your History of sessions and chats. They're literally just separate agents And now with desktop they're organized really really nicely so you can just click And it takes you to your other profile, right? I can just click and it takes me to my GPT-MEs Which is my Hermes powered by GPT-55 I click on quen. This is my Hermes powered by quen37 sitting on my dgx spark on my desk I click home. That's my default. That takes me to Hermes I named my default Hermes Hermes. I just like that name and that takes me there powered by opus 48 Before like if you wanted to switch profiles You needed to like go into like your terminal and like do Hermes profile quen and turn like pops open a new It's like very hard to organize Now it's very neatly organized here so I can quickly okay I want quen which is my local model to do. I do this for me I want GPT-MEs which is my chat GPT model to go and code this for me Okay, now I'm going to go back and go back in my opus one and have them do that And now it's like really easy to multitask To give some examples of one you'd want a multi multi task for instance You know opus very expensive model. I think opus 48 is the smartest AI model out there It's also very priestly So if I'm doing high-level thinking in strategy. I'm going opus Then I'll switch to GPT-MEs which is my Chat GPT55 model on Hermes Huge limits on chat GPT also very good coding so I'll come in here. I'll be like hey build me this app Quen that's my local model free unlimited intelligence because it's running on my desk This is for like quick research. Hey, what's The top news in AI I can have a go and scour the web for the top news and it's not going to cost me a thing completely free So you got to know which profile is best for which tasks So is the way to think about profiles more around how fast Or slow do you want you know, it has to be completed or how expensive or cheap or is the way to think about it Similar to how a paperclip works where you're kind of like designing You know your product manager your marketer your Engineer and you have different profiles for different team teammates Yeah, it's it's the way I like to think about it is more on the Model basis each model has its own strengths and weaknesses So we talked a little bit earlier Greg about saving money Models if you use it the right way you'll save tons of money Coding I actually think chat GPT55 is better than opus 48 for coding and you get way more limit To get way more usage on your plan. So if I'm going to do coding I'm going to go to GPT ease, which is my chat GPT55 profile if I'm going to do Like orchestration planning doing in-depth plans. I want to go to my smartest model which is Hermes powered by opus 48 so I'm more along the lines of What are the strengths and weaknesses of each model? I'm going to be honest I'm not 100% bought into the concept of like having 50 different Like product manager graphic designer I think that's a lot of I just think that takes up a lot of context in your Meetbrain on like okay, which one of these 50 profiles do I go to do I have a product manager do I have a designer do I have a writer I think that these models are smart enough and generally intelligent enough where you can Basically get away with like I can use opus for Designing a graphic image then writing a YouTube script and planning my product So I'm more think along the lines of what are the strengths of each of the models and how can I use them to their strengths to get better performance and save money I like that take it's basically like all that matters is the output and the outcomes Therefore just know which model makes the most sense for what you're trying to get accomplished And then use the right profile for that Yeah, I uh I used paperclip and I think it's a very very cool well-designed product But it's bought into this the concept that you need to have An AI agent in every Roll you need to have a senior product manager manager design intern who manages the CTO who manages like And the issue is is that when you think about it in that lens Which you're totally fine to do because that's it's a more understandable lens for a lot of people So if it makes more sense to you and you understand your organization better that way then go ahead and do it The challenge I think there's inefficiencies there when it comes to cost like if I have to go to my CEO and say hey build me You know a thumbnail for my latest YouTube video and then they go to like the product manager who then goes to the graphic designer Who then goes to the intern You have call after call after call looking at the context in the soul and the skills of each one of these and it's like I could have just went to opus for instead of hey build me a you know an image like it's it doesn't have to be that deep So listen everyone you have your own workflows do whatever way you want I just for me I found the most cost savings efficiency just having it for each model So those are the profiles I love going to the profiles. I love being able to go in quickly talk to okay I have a quick research task. I'll go to Quinn who's living on my desk give him a research task research AI Go to GPT-MEs have them go build out an app for me Profiles people should be leveraging profiles setting up profiles for different models start saving money that way Get better productivity that way Lot of other really cool things here artifacts. So artifacts basically puts all your images Files and links in one place and so if you're anything like me you've been Trying to kind of MacGyver your AI agent into like a second brain which it does really well and it works It's just kind of a system to maintain and one of those second brain tasks I have is like When I'm coming across things I see inspiration I see websites that are cool tools that are cool. I'll take the links and give it to my agents I hey save this link for me file it away here do this for me Now kind of done automatically with artifacts. So you can come in here and see any links you've sent to your agent You can see any Images media you've created or sent to your agent any files you've sent back or forth They're all organized here And now you can quickly organize them search through them So now I don't need to go and be like hey file this in my second brain under this category and do this I just send like a link I got my librarian my librarians is kind of my second brain organization agent I'll just drop links into my librarian. I don't even tell them to do anything without just hit send And now I can go to my artifacts and all my links are just like tightly organized here I can search I can say reddit and shows me all the reddit ones So artifacts is sneaky like a really really cool place to centralize All your links and images and files and everything That's really cool. They basically They basically productize the second brain for For an you know an agent platform like they probably saw how people were using it And they're like we're just gonna make this really easy really visual And That's what I'm liking by the way. I'm just I'm seeing this for the first time That's what I'm liking so far with the whole Hermes desktop experience. It just feels like a more Apple-esque Product for the open-cloth type of experience That's a really good way to put it because You know, I I've switched over from open-cloth to Hermes and and for the record Neither these people are paying me neither these people barely even talk to me. I This is purely for the love of the game And you know one of the big deal by the way you switching from open-cloth to Hermes like Where's the breaking tweet, you know what I mean like you you You like you said you're an open-cloth guy, you know, it's a big deal. This is uh I was the I was at the top you know not to toot my own whorener pump my own tires I was at the top with the game of open-cloth. This is like Michael Jordan going from basketball to baseball You know in 1994 like that is this is basically the equivalent of that And I did it anyway with basically zero fanfare, but I I have to I can't keep pushing things That I don't think are as strongly more just because I'm getting a bunch of clicks and views, you know Yes You know something I think a subtle shift happened the last couple months where I think The Hermes team very much as you just kind of described went more the apple route well, I think the open-cloth team went more of the uh android route in a way where The Hermes updates have been very focused polished tested and tied to really nice narratives that are focused on making life easier for the user While I feel like the open-cloth updates have been more kind of shotgun put everything in it Don't test it quite as well rough around the edges Doesn't work quite as well. We're trying to throw everything in it that will satisfy you know the power user Satisfy you know the the people who are doing a thousand things at once in like The updates became very unfocused and worst of all unreliable where I was updating and I'm like This is honors I'm gonna break my open-cloth and then it did break my open-cloth while Hermes is like Their branding's incredible, but like they're announced was like each update will be like once a week And it'll be like the efficiency update and everything will be very focused on efficiency and like around that narrative and as you kind of said it's like kind of the apple route where it's just You know, it doesn't need to be a CLI. It could be a nice desktop experience. That's pleasant for the average person to use Can you walk me through the skills and tools section? Yeah, a lot of cool things here This is a nice interface for all the skills that are installed on your Hermes agent One thing people don't really realize is out of the box your Hermes agent has like Over 150 skills installed in each one of those actually adds context to your agent And so that's increasing your cost now with this nice user interface you can come in and you can uh Turn off any skills that aren't necessary and you can also see The new skills being generated based on the actions you take not many people realize this They know Hermes is very self-improving They don't realize it's actually creating tons of skills in the background while you're not looking Right like i have a three js one file game because i build a bunch of three js games just for the fun of it YouTube new scripts real-time stock dashboard like there's a lot of skills i get built here Kind of in the background as you're doing things and you can just turn off turn on anyone's that aren't relevant to you to save money and increase efficiency Tool sets are groups of tools. So this is a new kind of concept being rolled out right now where uh You can group together many skills and tools all in one so if you're doing something complex and groups them all together I got to play around more with this to be quite honest with you But tool sets something definitely more to be used because it's it's kind of a new concept inside of Hermes where you can group together multiple tools and skills That is Those you also have messaging so again a lot of really nice things here around just being able to quickly see and visualize the features of Hermes So if you want to set up more messaging services you just click it set it up right before was you had to go into your CLI Hermes set up Navigate to whatever messaging service the average person does not want to use a CLI Right like I guess I think there's this huge trend the last few months CLIs we're going back to CLI CLIs the future everyone will be working this CLI That doesn't change the fact average people do not want to go in the terminal and do anything right They don't want to do anything I get so many complaints on my youtube videos when I do setup There's where it's like this is so easy pace this into your terminal and I still get comments like I don't want to do that I have no interest in that that's not that's not for me so This makes it just a lot easier you never have to go into your terminal again never have to go in the CLI you go in It gives you like exactly what you need to set up your telegram and then it just works. So really easy to set things up here And then one other thing I I like is the cron section so if you click down here on cron You will see a lot of your cron jobs you have set up one of the biggest complaints I get when I do these videos is Alex you said to do this to set up a routine I did it but it didn't work the next day the routine didn't happen The issue is is when you're using through things through telegram or the CLI and you set up these cron jobs For those who may not be as a technical cron job just schedule tasks your computer does You don't really have any confirmation that they were created when you ask your agent Hey every morning 9 a.m. Do this or every night at 10 p.m. Do this There's no real way to confirm and actually scheduled those things Now with the cron section which is at the bottom one click you can see all your cron jobs You can see everything that's scheduled and you can even create it manually here So if you want to come in and say hey make me a morning brief Tell me about Tell me all the Unread emails from the night before Right you can come in daily Delivered to the desktop create the cron you can have 100% confidence this cron jobs being created and will happen every day at that time Because cron jobs are and routines are so important to unlocking the value Of Hermes um do you have any advice for how do you actually create cron jobs that are worded in a way that actually You know have have a high likelihood of success Yeah, I uh Whenever it comes to doing things more effectively with AI or solving for like kind of unknown unknowns You know, I know I can be doing this better, but I don't know how to put a better cron job or better prompting The answer is always reverse prompting always the answer is I want to let's do it right now actually. Let's demo it live I'm gonna do a new session so say your new user Hermes You want to come in you want to set up a cron job for Every morning for a morning brief with relevant information in it So you can go I want to set up a morning brief with you for every morning at 9 a.m That's usually where people stop, but here's where you take it to the next level with reverse prompting you go My interests are generally AI stock investing tech And the Boston Celtics Right controversial controversial The Boston Celtics I would say so you know, I think a lot of a lot of the listeners of the podcast are big nicks fans right now So, you know, that's what I'm seeing in the Yeah, that's what I'm seeing enjoy a while last nicks fans. It's not gonna last because Wendy's coming for you And everyone in the country's ruined from Wendy on this one sorry nicks fans Um, you get you got your one year and 30 years or you have a mild amount of hope and joy it um What so here's where the reverse prompt comes in right? I just got you just lost like a hundred thousand subscribers by the way Sorry, I know I owe you one um What would be the best prompt I can use To set this up with you so I did a couple things here I did a couple very important things here number one is my favorite combo in the world the brain dump to the reverse prompt You brain dump in Everything about yourself Interest goals ambitions skill sets things like that. So your agent has contacts around who you are And then you reverse prompt based on what you know about me. What's the best way to do this The the issue many people have is they just kind of wing it and tell the agent to do things What they forget is you're talking to like super intelligence, right? You're talking to like the smartest thing on planet earth So why would you do things your way when you can get help from super intelligence and do it like the best way So I'm going to head to answer on that and instead of what most people do is hey Seven more in brief that tells me the news on AI and the Boston Celtics and how Jason teams the best player in the NBA now it's going to actually tell me The exact prompt to use so here's the prompt ideas And now it gives me this really detailed In-depth prompt right you are compiling Alex's daily morning brief It's currently early morning eastern time pull fresh information from the last 24 hours Do not rely on memory or stale data use web search and exact real headlines prices and scores cover these four areas And then it goes in depth AI the three four most important developments AI from the last 24 hours You know what this fixes? Usually when you say things like tell me the latest AI news it'll give you headlines from like two months ago Right orderly even give you headlines from like a year ago because of the models memory cut off But now because of this better prompting you'll be sure that it's from the last 24 hours market and investing Yes raised clothes and pre-market direction for the S&P Nasdaq and notable movers Flag one or two stock sectors with unusual news include any major economic events scheduled for today Like most people are not going to remember to talk about the fed CPI earnings or big names Tech two to three significant tech industry stories beyond pure AI Right now it's like going to extra detail and what happened now and here's a big one formatting Lead with a one-line vibe summary use bold letters and type bullets Like if we we use the original prompt most people would use hey give me a morning brief everything about AI It just would have been a like a big dump a text But now it's nicely formatted so it's easy to read and so this is the format I'd go brain dump to reverse prompt You're gonna get a lot better prompts cron jobs and output from your agent Great tip. Thank you Of course What else we got here? So that is the cron jobs really really cool stuff really amazing to use You can see your context very easily your context window very nicely at the bottom now So you can make sure oh, you know our context windows filling up Let's do slash new to start a new session and that'll clear that so you can save money there You can quickly change your models. This is another really big strength of Hermes Is they architected their agent away Where you can ease you can switch models much easier than open claw open claw like every models like hard coded in To open claw so you have to like Ask them to switch models and when new models come out you have to wait for open claw to update with that newest model Hermes they updated it they have the agent work in a dynamic way Where it can just swap in models and thinking settings really really easily and the moment a new model dropped You can just swap it in and so now in here Would take in the customization step further, you know how I'm going to do a simple task doesn't require much thinking Let's use like Opus 48 with minimal effort or hikou with minimal effort Things like that. So another really nice way to save money with your agent A lot of other really cool things here There's this agent window when you're go and you're you're multi-tasking got a bunch of agents doing things You can see all your sub agents spin up usually a question I get at this point is sub agents what what's there's been a sub agent in a profile So a real Hermes agent So again the profiles have their own skills personality everything Sub agents are copies of the main agent so when I go to you know Hermes and say hey Go do research and then build an app based on that research It'll spin up sub agents Those sub agents are just copies of the main agent so as the same skills the same personality the same everything But profiles have their own skill sets and context and memories and everything and so the way you want to think about it is Okay, for what you're doing does it require a separate set of skills if it does then spin up a new Profile is what I'm doing can I just use that same set of skills just do it multiple times at once or it spin up sub agents for that So agents down here is where you can see those sub agents work What's a what's a concrete what's a concrete example of Of that like when when would I be in the case where I'd want to Use multiple sub agents like what sort of task So Say I am wanting to build out a micro sass And I want to it has many different features maybe five or six different features Maybe it connects to the x api to pull tweets Uh, and then it formats the tweets in a nice way Uh, and then it allows you to share those tweets on twitter and then send your own version that tweeter so it's like five or six different features is micro sass I would want to use sub agents for this. I would go to my Hermes. I'd say build me this micro sass Here's the 10 different features spin up sub agents to build out each of those features simultaneously And then I'll go and spin up and they they all have the same skill set right which is just coding I just need a coding agent But I just need multiple versions of that coding agent And so it'll spin up five or six sub agents to build out that micro sass because I just it's doing many things At once But maybe I wanted to do something like Okay, I'm working on a youtube video and I need a script I need a researcher that will get the information that will feed into that script. I need you know Uh, a thumbnail so I need a Graphic designer or an agent that is connected to the groc imagine api For that I would want multiple profiles, right? I'd want you know for the researcher I'm going to use quen which is my local model say hey research this script then hand it off to uh Hand it off to Hermes, which is my opus 48 model and have them actually write the script based on your research And then hand that off to gpt me's which is my chat gpt model and have them use a chat gpt image generator to build the thumbnail That would be a good use case for multiple profiles So the way to think about it to kind of recap Different skill sets needed use different profiles one skill set, but just done Multiple strands at once use sub agents With that being said We talked about sessions so managing what you're talking about managing context we talked about artifacts organizing All of your files images media all of that we talked about skills Managing your skills making sure the right skills are turned off and on Uh, we talked about cron jobs. So the schedule tasks We talked about context models should we kind of get into the actions what you can do with all this putting it all together Yes, please All right Let's do it. I will show you one of my use cases I do This is real life Have my agents doing this all the time And uh, let me just pull this open over here. I'm going to Refresh this so One thing as a solo pernurb I like to do is I like to solve challenges, right? You know that's Pretty much the best most ethical way to make money in this world is find other people's challenges and then solve those challenges And so with my agents available to me You've never had more power or leverage to find challenges other people have and so I have a cron job Inside my Hermes agent. Let's see if I can show to you is it in this agent here daily AI business opportunity scan Every 20 minutes I have my agent going and using the quen three seven model locally You don't need a local model for us. You don't need a dgx spiral. Give you an alternative in a second But because I have this unlimited free super intelligence on my desk I have a dude every 20 minutes. I have a go It's kind of like idea brow these two would fit very well together idea browser and uh this agent you put them together You got magic But what it does is a lot of people by the way a lot of people are using idea browser with Hermes But that's a whole other separate Episode I think I I can do if people are interested That's an hour episode there you connect Hermes the idea brows and you have a going just building out each idea Yeah, now that's sauce. Yeah But What I have a doing is I have quen Every 20 minutes going and reading read it reading x Searching for other people's challenges, and I'm going to show you what it Builds for me here And I'm going to show you how I take it a step further now if you want to emulate this you 100% should You don't need you don't need to do this every 20 minutes if you're using like a cloud The reason why this works so well with quen locally is It's free so I can have and do it as much as I want if you're using like charging bt or opus You'd be paying out the wazoo for this because it costs money every time you do something So maybe you do this just once a morning to save little cash But here's the output of that This cron job I Get This custom dashboard it built which does it look like AI Slop? Yes, it does But I don't care the the the styling of it doesn't matter to me but what I get here is Henry going in Which is actually quen three six on my djx spark does it every 20 minutes And it finds challenges From people on reddit and x Gives me the source thread so I can see what comments the founder said the whole agency was basically for APIs in a trench coat And then because my agent knows so much about me and my skill set It tells me why I'm in position To fix this problem and what should be my first move to solve that challenge And so now I kind of have this automated business researcher that's going knows me to a t knows all my skills everything And finds me challenges to solve right it knows about my community so knows about my assets with businesses I have vibe coding academy And taking it even a step further when it finds it appropriate it even adds this button here Henry built a pro so he automatically built me a prototype For this business idea and so if I click that Micro SaaS prototype built for that idea had And so now I can be like okay is this interesting? Let me test this oh actually I think there's something here and then I can productize it and make it shippable This is kind of how being a solo per neuro builder works you find challenges Because you're running efficient lean you're only one person you know I'm much overhead You can go over these tiny you can go over these tiny slim markets And make a few bucks off of it and that's enough to pay the bills right and so this is a really nice way I have my agent acting as an employee and finding me opportunities around the clock Side note so this is really cool And at the very least get your creative juices flowing right and so it might not even be this idea But you might be like you know I'd like this I you know But if it was in another market or if it was an app instead of this But my question to you is In terms of local models is your recommendation that people go and buy Um like what should they be buying basically and why should they be buying it? My recommendation up to this or up until recently was the max studio the max studio from a speed and bandwidth perspective isn't as strong As Nvidia Hardware like the spark and other chips But you got a lot more unified memory which allowed you to run much cooler models and much better models Just a little bit slower The challenge is is the max studio is pretty much sold out on any Basically every level you can get it right now, but it's small amounts of memory. It's not like the big The big boys that allow you to run really good models So now I think my recommendation for most people unless you can find you know a max studio secondhand or something like that The DJX sparks are really great plug and play device You just plug you don't even need a monitor to set it up like you just plug it into the wall and it works um Has 128 gigabytes of unified memory which basically means you can run any model that goes up to 128 gigs. So when Uh, I think 27b works really nicely any of the new Nemo Tron models So Nvidia got into the model game recently now they're putting out their own open source models They're building it with the spark in mind. So I think if you want Plug and play Something that run inference for you to sort of run your models the the DJX sparks a great option I prefer the max studio because It's running on the device I have right here and you can use it It's like a really nice user interface the mac OS. So that's really nice But uh the spark is a as a good plug and play option if you don't have access like a really good max studio Cool and and just quickly like how much is the price on on that baby They just raised it. I think to $4,800 Uh, which seems like a lot and it is I everyone's in different financial situations or it for sure is uh My Kind of thesis which I think is playing out Uh in front of us right now is we're going to have hardware Bottle next for a very long time now because the AI buildouts happening and so memory sky I just bought a memory card from my Nintendo switch to a cost make a hundred dollars like the craziest thing ever Like the the cost of memory is skyrocketing all hardware Everything like that and so Hardware is getting more expensive. I think you know getting into local models in your own hardware is a very good idea in my opinion Playing around with LLMs locally is a very good idea in my opinion not only for functionality wise like what I just showed you here but also for um Education and learning wise So you know, I think if you can find the room to afford a dgx park. I think it's a really good investment My take is Play with her means download the app show that you can Then you can make this as a part of your daily solo painter or you know, just lifestyle and once you've gotten your hands a little dirty Then you've proven to yourself that if you have the $5,000 that you you know, you deserve it like don't be one of those people that Goes and buys the latest and then it sits on a shelf. That's my take You deserve it. That's the takeaway you deserve you owe it to yourself get yourself a spark man You you owe yourself a spark if you actually Go and and and use this thing right like and and and and understand how to use it and and play with it and actually show like Show that you can create value for yourself because then at that point you're gonna be like $5,000 Well, if I'm gonna make Tenix that then it's a no-brainer right Yeah, I think the It's always like the number one question. Yeah. Oh, how much is that cost? What's that? How much is that? I think people have this weird framing around Cost when it comes to AI like they see the cost of clawed and they see it's oh $200 a month. That's really expensive It's very they're comparing it to like the cost of like Netflix and like Xbox live and Amazon Prime Right those things they just suck your money and life forces away. They're not adding to your life $200 for clawed $5,000 for DJX spark these are investments in yourself to create more value in the world And you should if you use the right way C and ROI so I would just encourage you to think through different lenses when it comes to costs for these different things Alex Finn before we go Is there one question I should have asked you About Hermie's desktop app Hermie's agents in general that I haven't That you think that the audience would benefit from me asking or did you cover it all? I covered it all I think if you were to ask me a question I'd get more specific on or spend more time on is how the hell do you make money? With Hermie's in the answer would be around a lot of what I showed you to the end there finding challenges finding Opportunities to solve and I think if you're watches at home You know instead of using these agents to kind of play around An experiment with like I think you should be using them to solve other people's challenges Because that's how you're gonna be able to create the most value for yourself in the entire world Alex Finn ladies and gentlemen. Thank you so much for hopping on On short notice sharing the sauce with us as always all include links for where to find Alex in the show notes in the description His acts his YouTube and everything else in between Thank you so much. You always hype me up and I love that about you um and How to be fun. You got to have fun doing this 100% it is fun right like How lucky will we that we can play with these tools that they're coming out so often? Um, I like that you're not afraid to Share your opinion in real time as new information comes in Um and so I like that about you and you know from from my perspective It's like I like playing with everything and then And seeing what what's best for me. So thanks again Of course, it's a pleasure as always. See you soon, man. See ya