#define: legendary

Welcome to changelog and friends, a weekly talk show about going down, down, down underground. Thank you to our partners at Fly, the home of changelog .com. Launch your app near your users. Fly makes it easy. Learn more at fly .io. OK, let's play. OK, friends, it's time to monitor your crons. Simple monitoring for every application. That is what my friends over at Chronitor does for you. Performance insights and uptime monitoring for cron jobs, websites, APIs, status pages, heartbeats, analytics checks, and so much more. And you can start for free today. Chronitor .io. Check them out. Join 50 ,000 developers worldwide from Square, Cisco, Johnson & Johnson, Monday .com, Reddit, Monzo, and so many more. And guess what? I monitor my cron jobs with Chronitor. And you should too. And here's how easy it is to install and use Chronitor to start monitoring your crons. They have a Linux package, a Mac OS package, a Windows package that you can install. And the first thing you do is you run Chronitor Discover when you have this installed. It discovers all of your crons. And from there, your crons will be monitored inside of Chronitor's dashboard. You have a jobs tab. You can easily see execution time, all the events, the latest activity, the health status, the success range, all the details when it should run. Everything is captured in this dashboard. And it's so easy to use. Okay. Check them out at Chronitor .io. Once again, Chronitor .io. And welcome back to Pound Define, our 100 % original and in no way copied from Baldur Dash Game Show, where you're rewarded for lying like a skilled politician. My name is Jared Santo. We have some great competitors today. And we have Nick Nisi. Hey, Nick. Welcome to Pound Define. Happy to be here. Listeners of the Changelog may remember Nick's voice as a regular panelist on JS Party, your weekly celebration of JavaScript and the web. And TypeScript. No, no, no, no, no. Don't start the line until the definitions fly. We're also joined by listener and sometimes guest, I guess, recurring guests now, Thomas Eckert. Welcome, Thomas. Hello. Happy to be here. Excited to join these legends. Legends of the Changelog. We do have some Changelog legends here. Wait in the wings. Where are they? Oh, here they are. It's Matt Ryer. What's up, Matt? Hello, everybody. It's nice to be here. How do you like to be described as a legend? It's all right, actually. Just

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time. You'll take it? Just letting it sink in. Let me think. Yeah, feels pretty good. Yeah, you'll take it. All right. Speaking of the legend, it's my partner in crime, Adam Stachowiak. What's up, dude? What's up? I'm here. I'm back. I feel like you're well positioned because we've played this game a few times. This is our third iteration of Pound Define. However, we have no returning guests. We got rid of Taylor Trow. She's too good. Losh, way too serious. Amel, too much. And we got these guys. So I think you have an upper hand because you have experience and they do not. If I don't win, there's something wrong. Okay. With you. With me, yeah. Correct. That was implied with me. But yes, thank you for being specific. Adam, I just noticed the lava lamp behind you. I know that you're into Homeland. Is that HomeLab, not Homeland. Is that your own little Cloudflare key generator? It's my... Yeah, what do you call those things? Cloudflare worker. No, they have a... Nick is referring to this wall they have in the Cloudflare office and they use it, I believe. What do they use it for? It's like a... To generate random numbers. A random generator kind of thing. Like a password generator. Yeah. Yeah, because it's never the same. That'd be cool if I did, but I don't. So I'm sorry, Nick. It's just for looks. Ideas. It technically can be the same, right? It's just chance. But it's probably not going to be the same, but it could just be exactly the same all day. And then all it's kicking out is two. And you're like, come on, wall. We need more different random numbers, not just two. And you get angry with it. But then you're relaxed by just watching it because it's lava lamps. So it chills you out. And then it reminds you it's a pseudo random number generator. And it's like, they're just pseudo random. So

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what you pay for, I guess. But that one is real random, I think. It is really random. It could never be the same again. It can be. It's random. Maybe in a million years. Could it be the same in a million years? Could be the same in one second. Technically, it's just unlikely.

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that's true. Well, this this conversation will never be the same again either. So let's get to the game. Here's how it works. This is the game of fake definitions. You all are tasked with basically lying to each other, pretending. I like

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Pseudo random definition generators that, you know, the definition to these obscure STEM jargon. OK, I have 10 rounds of play. I will say the word, send it to you all, spell it out loud for our listener, and you will then write a definition for the word. I also have, of course, the correct definition. I will mix them together, read them out, and you will try to guess which is the correct definition. If you know the definition to start and you submit to me the correct definition, you automatically get three points, which is the most points you can score for a single action, and you set that round out. So, you know, go have a drink of coffee or something. If you don't get it right right away, I will gather them and read them during the reading time. If you guess the right one, then you get two points. And if you trick somebody else to guess your definition, you get one point. So for each person who selects yours, you get a point and we get to 15 points. First wins or 10 rounds. That's how it goes. I'm sure that was convoluted as an explanation because I was confusing myself as I went. But as the game starts, it will become immediately obvious how this works. So let's just get into it and start with round one. So the word for round one, cryptarithm. Cryptarithm. That's C -R -Y -P -T -A -R -I -T -H -M. I will submit that to the chat. Please send me your fake definitions now. Okay, Nick has already submitted. So it's not based on speed, Nick, but I do appreciate that. I have Matt's definition. Adam is historically the slowest submitter. He's a deep thinker. I have Thomas's. So as soon as Adam is done, we will be ready. I'm just trying to figure out how to spell rhythm. It's in the thing. No, no, I mean the word rhythm. That's too tough. It is a tough word to spell. I always get confused and I always have to Google it. Do not Google. There's no Googling. R -H -Y -T -H -M. All right, I'm going to send you an incorrect version of rhythm, basically. You can't Google. You can't DuckDuckGo. You cannot ask Jeeves, nor can you ask any sort of GPTs. But you can just type in the word in Slack and see if it's got an underline on it. True. That's one way to find out. I will allow spell check. Good point, Matt.

But you can hack that maybe through, like, Grammarly or something that's gonna be using an element to kind of worms back door. I guess if you if you hack bound -defined by using Grammarly, then I'll just submit to you and let you win the game. Yeah, yeah. Also, it's interesting you say pound because we don't say pound for that symbol. You're talking about the hash symbol. I'm not. I'm talking about the pound sign. Right, which look, it's an octothorpe, right? It looks like two lines. I think that's his technical name is octothorpe. Octothorpe defined, yeah. Do you guys call it that because it looks like hash browns? We don't really have hash browns. They're kind of from the US. Oh, what's wrong with you? They have beans. They just have beans. That's just beans. Oh, you should try hash browns. They're really good. Yeah. Did you try beans on toast when you were in London, Nick? Sure didn't. They gave it to me and I set that aside. They gave it to you and you didn't eat it. They gave it back. You're like, no, thank you. Some of the best food I had in London was at the local McDonald's. It was at the airport lounge. Oh, that's the place to try it if you're going to go for it. You want to have it done properly. You want to get yourself to terminal three. Nick, when you say someone gave it to me, like, surely in context of a restaurant or something, right? Like, they didn't just give it to you in the airport. They're just discarding it. They figured, here, you have it. Yeah, going through security, they just handed it to you. Yeah, it's just someone else's beans on toast that they weren't allowed through. Actually, that's not a bad idea. Well, the thing is, there's only one beans on toast in the entire country, but no one actually likes it. But you got to pretend like you like it. So you kind of just keep passing it on. But it's been hot potatoing around between people for decades. That's how sourdough started. Yeah, it's the same principle. I love that it's one beans on toast, though. Like, the beans on toast is a singular and there's one of them. Yeah, I love that. Well, the beans are plural, but the toast is singular. Yes. All right, I now have all definitions. A quick disclaimer. I do my darndest to read these as straight as possible. In fact, I close my video so I can't see your faces. And I just read as if I'm the only one in the room. Having said that, it's still really hard because some of these get to be a little bit zany. Thankfully, Taylor Troche is not here because he's trolling pretty much every round. And so maybe Matt will troll. I don't know. But there's my disclaimer. If I laugh, it's not because it's not the right definition. It's because I think something's funny. Yeah, but you also find quite weird things funny. I listened to an episode of this last time and you were in hysterics for 10 minutes. And then when you read it out, it was just a sentence. The first episode, I almost broke it. Yeah, but I did a much better job in the second episode. So if you want to go back and listen, skip round one of episode one, in which I darn near break the show. Okay, let's see if I break the show this time. Ah, cryptorhythm is an algorithm for generating cryptographic signatures, or the subtle vibrations that occur in underground burial sites due to the crypt settling, or the rhythm, also known as cryptorhythmic sequencing, of adding and subtracting numbers in cryptographic algorithms, or a puzzle where you are given an arithmetical expression where the digits have been replaced by letters, or finally, a drum beat used as a password, usually tapped out on a keypad or keyboard. There you have it, five definitions for cryptorhythm. One of those is the correct definition. Nick, you're up first. Which one do you think it is? How do I answer? You can answer by the number. You can answer by the one saying generally this, and I will confirm with you. You can just kind of talk about it. It's fine. We'll figure it out. Okay. I'm going to say the one, the puzzle, where you're... A puzzle, where you're given arithmetical expressions where the digits have been replaced by letters? Yes. All right. That's number four. I give that to Nick, and we go to Thomas. Yeah, so I think about these. He got two algorithm -like ones. Those are both interesting, attractive. I'm also drawn to the puzzle one. I think, interesting, this idea, I looked at cryptorhythm, and I thought crypto, right? Cryptography. But now that I read this one about decrypts, like where you would put... Vibrations, yes. Vibrations. That makes a lot of sense. Maybe I'm actually... Like, you know how helicopter is actually helicopter, right? Like the word is different. You don't know that?

No, tell me anymore. Oh, we say helicopter. Yeah. Matt, do you say that? I do all the time. I'm always saying it. No, no, no, no. They say whirly birds. Oh, you guys have whirly birds. Whirly birds. Yeah, that's the proper word. Whirly birds, and yeah, no. That's how they import the beans. For a whirly bird, of course. We say it like helicopter, but the actual origin of the word would split. So petur is the wing. Petur. Petur. Like it's Greek. It's the same thing where you get like pterodactyl. It's all Greek to me. I know. So you wouldn't say... What's helica mean? Helico. Pter. If you were to split where the words... Is he spitting on me? I feel like he's just spitting on us. I'm spitting knowledge. You're spitting knowledge here. You know? Okay. It's like that where you need to split the word in a different place. You're going for the one that says vibrations occur in an underground burial sites due to the crypt settling. Yeah, but I'm still drawn to the puzzle one. I think because I think about those... I think I'll go with the puzzle one. All right. He's piling on. Piling on. Now let me remind you of the spread. The spread is wherein you don't all pick the same answer, because if nobody gets the correct answer, I, your humble moderator, sometimes not so humble moderator, will score three points. And if I reach 15 before anybody else, you'll never hear the end of it. Okay. So he's going to pile on with Nick on the puzzle. Puzzling. Adam, what do you think? Can I get a read back, please? Of which ones? All of them. One.

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will give you a quick summary of each. Please and thank you. Number one was the algorithm for generating cryptographic signatures. Number two was the subtle vibrations that Thomas was talking about. Okay, yes. Underground burial sites. Number three was the rhythm of adding and subtracting numbers in cryptographic algorithms. Number four was the puzzle. And number five was the drumbeat used as a password. Hmm. The last two, well, middle and last two were kind of stem related. So gotta go in the stem. Plus the pile on is making me feel like maybe I'm not smart here and they're smart. So I'm gonna just do what sheep do and follow. So I'm gonna be a sheep today, but I don't know that last one. Read it again, please. Let's see how can you give me the exact version of it? I can hear number five. A drumbeat used as a password, usually tapped out on a keypad or keyboard. Think about that. Like knock, knock, knock, knock, knock, knock, knock. You know, you knock on the door. Oh yeah. That's kind of a password. It's kind of maybe a cryptorithm. Yeah, maybe it predates. It's a rhythm that's crypto. Right. It's the rhythm of you getting scammed. Well, thanks, Nick. Oh, man. You're putting it out there. Okay. Puzzle. I'm piling on, Jared. You're piling on puzzle. It's very stem. It's very stem. This is concerning. Okay. Okay. I'm lining up a win here, perhaps, or a loss. We'll see. Matt, you are the last to choose so far. Three puzzlers. What are you thinking? Um, still get trying to get over that helicopter news. That bombshell is just really shaken, to be honest. Can't believe you're supposed to say it like that. You don't need to worry about that. That was a psychological operation. You're not supposed to say it like that. You break it down and say whirly bird. Whirly bird. Oh yeah, that's it. In the Greek? In the Greek. Yeah, the Greek. I don't know. I didn't, I was going to learn Greek, but it's got too much maths in it. I'm not very good at maths. I shouldn't have to calculate PI halfway through a word. Do you know what I mean? What are they playing at? Takes too long. The spelling of cryptorhythm, I think means it tells us it's not the rhythm one. And also when I heard the real definition of this, I remember that I did know this. So I'm a little bit disappointed with myself, but I'm pretty confident that it is the puzzle. So I'm going to pile on baby.

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The pile. Is there a theme tune for if everyone piles on? We need a pile on theme. Can you write one real quick? Yeah. All right. Pile on theme tune. Wow. It's a pile on. And in post, as we speak, break master cylinder is remixing that. Oh yeah. In the moment. So there's me some beeps and boops and some blops. So it'll come out sounding better, probably a little better. Yeah. He's going to auto tune that thing. So it'll be good. I already had auto tune on in my voice. He's going to Matta tune. Oh, did you? You tuned to yourself as you went. By the way, Adam, I hadn't thought earlier. You wanted Jared to repeat the, all the answers. You can just use the back 10 seconds on your phone to go back 10 seconds and listen to that bit again. Yeah. I was trying that, but it didn't work. The hard part's catching up, you know. You need the new, uh, windows PC where it records your entire life. So you can just go back. Oh yeah. Recall. What's it? There's a recall. Yeah. Recall. I don't know if there's going to be a recall on that. There might be a recall on recall. Total recall. Total recall. All

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How do we land this helicopter? We say the correct answer was the puzzle. You all got it right. So pile on vindicated. Two points for Matt. Two points for Adam. Two points for Thomas. Two points for Nick. Zero for me. But that's okay. It's a tie. And after round one, it is a four way tie for first place. Also circumstantially last place. So don't forget that. We're all tied for last. We move now to round two where our word is graviton. The word for round two is graviton. I have Thomas's definition. How do we know it's not gravy ton? Like loads of gravy. Do you guys have gravy over there? Yeah, but is it different? It's probably different, isn't it? It's just the juice around the beans. So you know how like beans come in the, you know, kind of liquid. They just drain that off. That's what they call gravy. I don't even really eat beans on toast very often, Thomas. I usually just have toast on the beans. That's my favorite. Toast under beans. Yeah, that's a really good idea. It sits different on the palette and that's a little bit more. I mean, you see that goes back into questions of class in England as to who had toast under beans and who had beans on toast. That's it. Yeah. Which class are you in, Matt? You know, Downton Abbey, you know, where all the servants live downstairs? Yeah, I'd be working for them. Oh, you'd be working for the servants. Yeah. In the UK where I sit. You're the scum. They scrape off the scum. Yeah, exactly. Scum of the scum. It's like creme de la creme, but the opposite. But I'm proud of it. Working class background and all that, you know. And you're a legend around these parts. So what does that make us, you know? I wouldn't like to hazard a guess. Just people. No, I like you a lot. I'll just caveat that with if any scandals break with these people, I'd like to distance myself now, but assuming that doesn't happen. I have an ongoing scandal hidden, very much hidden. Is it a scandal if it's hidden? No. Well, it's actually a micro scandal. It's between like three or four people. One of them has a newspaper that just distributes with like three people and that's it. And it's in there, headlined on the front page. Oh wow. So two people know what I've done. Allegedly. What area is it in? What sort of, is it like a crime? It's in a zip code. It's in like my, like on the street. What lat long? What's your lat long of this incident? Narrow it down. I can't tell you. That's my information. I'm in the US of A. You know that. Down here in Texas. You can't do anything illegal in Texas. Can you? I thought there's no laws. Oh, it's all in the dossier. If you do something illegal, don't they just, don't they just take you Dan Tan? Dan Tan. Yeah, I'm not taking you Dan Tan. Gravitan. Gravitan. Oh, Gravitan. All right. Well, we have an unprecedented occurrence here. Never been through this. I don't have it in my rule book even how to handle this circumstance, but of the definitions, I now have all four of your definitions. Three of them were the correct definition. Oh, and one person made one up. So I guess we could just, we could all go around and guess who might not know the definition. Or let's change the rules for this one answer. Okay. So we will guess now who you think had to make up the definition and didn't actually know. Oh yeah. This might turn into some sort of a class war. We could also still pick which exact definition is the one, the official one, but that's still a game I guess. Can we get what the fake definition was before we try to place it on someone? No, not everybody has a fair play. Yeah, no, let's keep it fair. Let's keep it a hundred percent fair. So Thomas goes first. Thomas, who do you think made up a definition in this round? All right. This is a mean, this is, this game is taking a meantime. Now it doesn't, it's not fair to assume that the person didn't know what the actual answer was, but may have been playing that strategy. Right. The meta game, most likely they were, and it just backfired horrendously or not. Cause if you guess their name, then they get a point for tricking you. They get a point for tricking me. You think they lied and it wasn't yourself at which point points would cancel out. Unless it's myself. You got about 33 % chance of getting it right. Well, I guess maybe a 66. What is the, what is the math on that one? It depends on whether or not I'm the person who made it up. Right. But the person whose name gets guessed gets a point. Don't think about too hard, flip a coin and pick a name. I'm thinking that I could see Matt making something up. All right. So Thomas picks Matt. Adam, your turn. Who do you think it was? Who picked, who, who did what? Who made a fake definition and submitted it to me. I think you did. I think you began the game of fakeness. I did not. Yeah, you did. I believe you did. This is the time that you would slip it in there. This is the one time, the only time. So you think that I'm trying to get a zero here? Adam, you think the official answer here is wrong? I don't understand your logic, but you've done it. Okay. I'm sticking to my guns. I'm picking Jared. Okay. So Adam picks Jared. Thomas thought it was Matt. Adam thought it was me. Matt, who do you think it is? Well, I think it's Adam Steaks. I think it's Adam. He's pretty good. I think he's, you think Adam stacked the deck against you? And I won't, I won't caveat it with all the politeness. You know what I think? All right. So one vote for Matt, Jared and Adam. And now Nick, who do you think it was? How do I get the points here? You have to name the person that submitted a fake definition. No, I'm going to win because I'm going to say it was me. There you go. And so Nick wins the round by getting it wrong in some sort of crazy turn of events. He gets a point or two points for getting it correct. Unfortunately, everybody else scored three points because Matt, Adam and Thomas all got the correct definition, a hypothetical elementary particle that mediates the force of gravitation in the framework of quantum field theory. Nobody said it that nicely. That's the correct thing. I got it pretty close though. Nick submitted a database as a service solution for enterprise infrastructure solutions. So a lot of solutions in that. Well, you got Fermion. They should have Graviton. In my defense, I had a greater chance of saying it was a JavaScript framework and getting it right than you all did guessing me. Yeah, that's true. That's true. The hypothetical JavaScript framework. Yeah. And I was trying to throw everybody off by choosing Jared. I was like, well, you know, nobody expects this. Yeah, that's what I thought. That's why I went for you. I was hoping that nobody would say Nick and I would get three points for the miss, but he named himself. He outed himself and to much success, he got two points there. So I totally knew what it was. I was trying to trick all of you. Oh, you're playing the meta game. Yeah, he's playing the meta game. Smart. It backfired horrendously, but you still scored two points. Everybody else scored three. After round two, we have Matt, Adam, and Thomas tied in first with five. Nick in dead last with four. And I still have zero, but it doesn't count as dead last because I'm just the moderator people. I'm not actually playing the game. Oh, wait, wait, wait. A question. Is the point of the game to try and trick everyone else, but then know the right answer and guess it? Absolutely. Or is it to guess it first? How can you do both of those? That can be the best if you can get a fake definition that is so good

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you get all three votes. That's what you're trying to do. You have to get the ultimate pile on and then not pile on yourself. That's how you can get the most points. A JavaScript framework. Just say that for the rest of them. They all aren't JavaScript frameworks. Well, you'll have a good opportunity now. We move to round three. This is a different round. We call this round namespace conflict. And this one I've gone out to the GitHub and I have found an open source project. I will give you all the name of the open source project. Your job is to write the tagline or the description of said open source project. And the title of this project is nuclei. N -U -C -L -E -I. Please submit to me your fake taglines now. And this is not nucleus from don't say it. Don't say it. Silicon Valley. I would never. I would absolutely never. Wow. If one of you happens to know what nuclei is, then you just tell me that and you'll still get those three points. Thomas first to submit. I have Matt's. So far, nobody has known it. I'm not sure that's a good thing to say, Jared. Let's see if Nick can get in before Adam does and retain Adam's streak of last submitter. Last off the field. And I have Nick's. Ah, so close. I was I added one comma and a space and then two more dots and a plus sign. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I had a last minute edit to be more clear. So if you see or hear him delay or add a plus in the definition. Okay. I now have all four definitions or descriptions. For the very real open source project on GitHub called nuclei, but what is nuclei? Number one, it's believed to be the real world version of nucleus, the copied middle out compression framework from HBO Silicon Valley. How dare you? Number two, a fast and customizable vulnerability scanner based on simple yaml based DSL. Number three, an abstraction atop all popular front end testing technologies, run everything from one place. Number four, a blazingly fast JavaScript framework written in Rust with AI superpowers. And number five, nuclei get to the center of your issues. There you have five potential descriptions of a very real open source project called nuclei, but which is the real one. We start now with Adam. Can you repeat a few for me, please? A few of them just at random? Use the lava lamp to pick which one, Adam. He doesn't care which ones he hears back. He just wants to hear a few. I would like to hear. Were you listening the first time? Two and three, please. Two and three. Two and three. Okay. Two is a fast and customizable vulnerability scanner based on simple yaml based DSL. Okay. That was, I meant three and four, sorry. Oh, sorry. Three is an abstraction atop all popular front end testing technologies, run everything from one place. And four is a blazingly fast JS framework written in Rust with AI superpowers. What was number one again? HBO Silicon Valley. What about number five? I'm just kidding. I'll take number three, please. All right. Number three is the abstraction. Abstracts. Read that one again one more time. An abstraction atop all popular front end testing technologies, run everything in one place. That's the one? That's the one. All right. That's Adam's. Do we go now to Matt? Can you read number five again? I'm not trolling. I think, I think that's the one I'm not trolling. Number five. It says, get to the center of your issues. Is it GIT though? Oh, it's G E T. Okay. Yeah. I mean, that's good. That's a good, like, it could be also a quite a good fake. It would be a good fake one that one of these young lads would come up with, I reckon to throw me off the scent. Yeah. It's hard to say. And number two, again, just one more time, Jared, I think number two is the fast and customizable vulnerability scanner based on a simple YAML. Yeah. DSL. It was the addition of the YAML DSL. Like that's a brag. Yeah, that's somehow like trying too hard. I'm going to go number five, I think. And if that is, I deserve to lose points to someone if they've. All right. Matt votes for number five. Get to the center of your issues. Nick, what do you think? I think it was number one again. You know, you can write things down. I refuse to read number one again. You know what it is and you're just trolling me. Your favorite show, right? Absolutely. I'm sorry, but can you, I do, I think I have number two. Can you repeat number three, please? An abstraction atop all popular front end testing technologies run everything from one place. Adam selected that one in case you want to have Matt sing the Pylon song again. So he selected three and five.

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on five. Adam's on three. Who's on third one. I'll take two. What's on third two. You're taking the vulnerability scanner, correct? Yes. Oh, okay. Nick has that one. We go now to Thomas. All right. Can you read? Yes, I can. Oh, that's wonderful. All right. As I've heard this, I'm thinking get to the center of your issues. It's nice. It's clean. It could be fake, but, uh, I also, you know, it also leaves a lot of interpretation as to what the project could actually do getting to the center of your issues. It could be a therapy program. It could be a lot. True. So I'm thinking, I'm thinking I'll go with that one center of your issues. We'll, we'll pile onto that one a little bit, a little bit, a little bit of a pile. I only got two, two on there, Thomas and Matt. So let's start right there. Both Matt and Thomas thought that a nuclei might be, get to the center of your issues. A pretty good tagline written by one Nick Neeson. Oh, that is Nick. So good. Cause it's nuclei because you're saying I as well. So it's like looking out. I thought it was also the nucleus. So good. How many points does it get? So Nick scores two points for tricking two of you. Good job, Nick. Adam, however, thought that a nuclei was the abstraction on top of all popular front end testing technologies. That was written by Matt. So Matt gets a point there and Nick thought it was a customizable vulnerability scanner based on a simple YAML based DSL. And that is exactly what nuclei is. Really? All right. Nick got it right. He gets two more points for the correct answer and really takes a big lead after round three.

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was really like queuing in on that YAML keyword too. Like

that's

voice specific or it's trying to trick me. Yeah. And I obviously wrote about the copy of Miloc. And we all know who wrote the Silicon Valley one. My problem though was that I worded it incorrectly. It was not like a description. It was not believable. I think it was too long for the GitHub tagline area. Yeah, that's the problem. As I read it back, I'm like my strategy for what I wrote was wrong. The other problem is it had Silicon Valley in it. So yeah, you basically traded points for a few lulls. If I could have just said like fan art based on Silicon Valley, that would have been good, right? Just like simple. Okay, that might have been believable. It might have actually got you guys, you know? We're going to get better at this, aren't we, as we go? Well, that's the strategy, right? It's like believability and STEM. Sometimes there's definitions out there that are like not STEM. Yeah, that's true. After three rounds, Nick moves from dead last to dead first. He has seven points. Matt is in second place with six, and Thomas and Adam are tied with five AP. So it's a tight game. We move now to round four, where the word ductility. Please submit your definitions now. Adam, can I have a random number from your lava lamp, please? Got it. Thank you. Yeah, shut it down. Number six. Matt is in. I'm in. Thomas is in. We wrote the same exact thing. Could have. Could have. You did in the Graviton round. Thomas, you keep having to go at beans on toast. What's the sort of local food from where you are that's popular? You know, where I am, I'm just outside of DC. And so there's such a... The comics. The comic books. Yeah, yeah, no, no, no, no. On the other coast, you have Marvel. The two big rivals, aren't they? The two big rivals. I would say that DC... Is that where Batman lives? That is where Batman lives, and does take care of a lot of the... Well, there's a lot of kryptonite, and that is the main kind of industry in the area, is kryptonite mining. So very, you know... But not exactly a cuisine. I mean, we're not... No, no, no, no. We're getting there. I mean, some people love large vats of acid. Some people find it transformative. But some people find it drives them crazy. You know, there's not a real central DC cuisine I can think of. But I will say, I spent a long time in Rochester, New York. It's where I went to grad school,

and

they have something called a garbage plate. Ooh, that sounds delicious. You know what a garbage plate is? No, but it sounds yummy. I can take a few guesses. Yeah, well, it's kind of a loose idea of a food. It is a plate that includes a hamburger. You got some hot dog on there, chopped up, usually some macaroni salad, sometimes beans. Really just anything that you might... Is there any toast? You know what? With a little bit of ingenuity, you could add some toast to that. So if you worked hard, you could turn garbage into beans on toast, is what we're saying. Exactly. There is a possible transmutation from garbage to beans on toast, yes. And so that's where a lot of my perspective comes from. Is a garbage plate like leftovers, and it's just a mix of everything? It's kind of like everything that you could get at a diner or a barbecue joint. Well, not like a southern barbecue joint, but like, you know. Northern one. And maybe at a family barbecue, yeah. I just thought it was a result of a successful night of dumpster diving, but... It can be. You don't take a plate. Depending on your palate and how good you are at digesting food. Right. All right, we have all four definitions, five, including the real one, for ductility. Number one, the act of throwing something or someone out of a window. Number two, helpful objects formed with duct tape. Number three, a measure of how solvable a problem is using duct tape. Covering a small hole has high ductility. Number four, a fast utility first duct typing library. And number five, a temporary tool to quickly fix an issue, contraction of duct tape and utility. So there is your five definitions. We start with Matt this round. What do you think is the right definition? That last one sounds properly like real, but is that a double bluff or just a normal bluff? It's just a one. Could be just a one bluff. It could be a triple bluff. Could it? Actually, a double bluff would be worth choosing. If it's even, it should go back to which one? It's odd. It goes back to what it was. What's I can't remember. I think you know the answer to this. What's like 15? What's like a 15th bluff? It just goes odd even. Yeah. Yeah. So just sort

of

you can. Okay. I think the one about measuring the how easy you could fix something with duct tape, measuring the severity of a problem. I like that, but. Okay. That's number three, a measure of how solvable a problem is using duct tape. That would be the ductility. It's either that or the last one I would say. So I'll go for three. All right. He's going for three. Nick. Three was my guess too, but to be different, I'm going to go with five. Do you know what number five is, Nick? Or are you just following the leader? That was the one about duct typing, right? No, that was four. Can you repeat number five? I thought you might have moved a little quick on that. Number five was a temporary tool to quickly fix an issue, a contraction of duct tape and utility ductility. Oh, okay. I'm going to stick with five.

Oh,

you're going to stick with that one. Yeah. Oh, okay. It's like something was in there. They're like, all right, that's next. He's got five and Thomas. Yes. I will pile on with Nick, even though he didn't know which one he was picking. Now he does. And I agree with him, uh, that temporary tool that, that sounds, that sounds right. Okay. Being very ductile there, Thomas. Yes. Last up, Adam, what do you think? And we have a pile on the beginning and we also have Matt over there on the solvable problem using, not feeling, not feeling good over here on this little island. I'll tell you that I'm not feeling good. I'm going to give you a chance here, Jared, to get some points. You're going to pile. We're going to, we're going to split it. I'm going to go with Matt. You're going to go with Matt. Yeah. I think it's a measure. Okay. He thinks it's a measure. Ductility is definitely a measure. All right. So we don't need the pile on. It's hard to remember the definitions and stuff because I think Jared reads them and we're not listening. That's what I think. I get that. I get that feeling too, because as soon as I read them, someone's like, will you read those again? Yeah. It's like, where, where, where were you when I read them? I don't know. I don't know the answer to that. So it's sincere question. Cause you're all right here in my screens, but okay. Let's see how it shakes out. Dog pile number one was Nick and Thomas. They thought ductility was a temporary tool to quickly fix an issue, a contraction of duct tape and utility. I thought that was pretty clever. And Matt is pretty clever. Cause that was his definition. Cheeky. Two points for Matt. Cheeky. That's the sound effect they play when I, when that happens. He does it in English. Say it again. Cheeky. It's like English. Oh, the clip right there. Yeah. All right. That's it. Dog pile number two was Matt and Adam. They thought ductility was a measure of how solvable a problem is using duct tape. That was Thomas's measure. Two points for Thomas. Good job, Thomas. Thank you. I didn't want to go with it because I kind of figured it probably wasn't true, but I figured whoever did it earned the points, earned the points, you know? He earned them. And guess who else earned a few points this round? Oh, Jared. Yours truly because ductility is the act of throwing something or someone out of a window. What? I thought that that was defenestration. Oh shoot. I switched the words. I'm serious. I switched the words. It is defenestration. Blimey. Because you didn't read the right definition for

ductility.

No, I didn't. Do you want to act? Yeah, I know what ductility is. Oh, I'll tell you what ductility is. Ductility is helpful objects formed from duct tape. That's what ductility is? Ductility is a metal is ductile if you can hit it with a hammer and deform it. Right. I screwed it up big time. I actually didn't switch them. What I did was I took defenestration and I pasted its definition on top of ductility. Do not feel bad. Don't throw yourself out the window.

This

is unfixable. I don't think I get any points this round. No points awarded. That's how I'll fix it. I'll go zero and we'll leave everything else alone. So what was the correct definition again? If a metal can be deformed by hitting it with a hammer and it stays in that deformation. So like a wire has high ductility because you can kind of stretch it out. The ability of a material to sustain significant plastic deformation before fracture. That's what it was. Yes.

Yeah, I pasted the wrong thing. I was really excited because defenestration was such a cool word. It is a good word. And I was, I have a round called not STEM because that's not STEM. Throwing something out of windows, not STEM. No, that's, that's physics. That's physics. I've worked in some places. I can tell you. Well, maybe. Yeah. I was, I was trying to think of the ways I would argue that being STEM because I read the definition. I'm like, that's not really STEM. It's just throwing people out windows. Thomas, why did you know that so fast? Defenestration. Yeah, you knew that really well. Why did I know that word? Just, just random facts knowledge. But a background context here. Is it required? Well, I have my master's degree in physics. Did you know that? Okay. So there's a couple of things like graviton that those ones were. They're hitting into your wheelhouse. They're hitting into my wheelhouse. So you got to go towards like, Throwing people out windows is one of your hobbies in college. This is that. That is. Yeah, exactly. That's actually how they dealt with us. If we didn't do well in our, on our papers. Okay. Defenestrated you. They defenestrated you. They defenestrated me. The worst part about this is I ruined two rounds. Cause I can't use that one anymore either. Oh, sorry. Well, actually I ruined that by, by calling you. I don't know. You were correct. I ruined it by having the wrong definition for ductility. You both ruined it. Don't fall out over this, but hang on. We ruined it together. So what's the word again? Defenestration. Defenestration. Defenestration is the act of throwing something or someone out of a window. So is fenestration, would fenestration be throwing them into a window, like throwing them up and in like, how is it D? Thomas. That's how they do, like explain the physics of that one

for

firefighting. If they need to get you onto the second floor and they don't have a ladder, they got somebody really big. That's why they have the, uh, the trampolines at the bottom. Is that just so they can bounce up and see what's going on? That's just for fun. Actually. It's a very stressful job. So, you know how like at Google, they have ping pong tables. That's why they bring the trampolines. Oh, so it's just like, go and have five minutes. Billy, you've worked hard. Go and have five minutes on the trampoline. We'll, we'll deal with the rest of this fire. Yes. Well, after a crazy round four, I have subtracted those three points that I gave myself and I'm back at zero, but we let Thomas's two and Matt's two stand because they did convince Matt or they convinced the other people to select theirs. And so that puts them into a tie for second Thomas and a leader. Now, Matt leapfrogging over Nick and Thomas at seven with eight. So it's Matt eight.

Nick

and Thomas died with seven and Adam with five. I am down here in the basement where I belong. And we move now to round five. What's up friends. I'm here in the breaks with one password. Our newest sponsor. We love one password. Mark is here. Mark Mackenbach, director of engineering. So Mark, you may know that we use one password in production in our application stack where diehard users of one password. And I've been using one password for more than a decade now. I'm what I would consider a diehard lifelong, never letting it go private. My cold dead hands type of user. And I love the tooling. I love specifically the new developer tooling over the last couple of years, but what are your thoughts on the tooling you offer now in terms of your SSH agent, your CIC integrations, the things that help developers be more productive?

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Yes, that's exactly how we're using one password. We store all of our secrets in a vault called changelog and we declare a single secret in fly dot IO. This is where we host changelog .com and the secret is named O P underscore service, underscore account, underscore token. And then we load all the other secrets you have into memory as part of the app boot via O P and a file we made called ENV dot O P. Inside of GitHub actions, we're still passing them manually, but we do have a note to ourselves for future dev that we should use O P here too, but big deal to use this tooling like this in the application stack app boot. We do it. And if you want an example of how to do it, check out our repo. I'll link up in the show notes, but we have an infrastructure MD file that explains everything. Obviously you can find the details in our code, but do yourself a favor. Do your team a favor. Go to one password .com slash changelog pod, and they got a bonus for our listeners. They've given our listeners an exclusive extended free trial to any one password plan for 28 days. Normally you get 14 days, but they're giving us 28 days, double the days. Make sure you go to one password .com slash changelog pod to get that exclusive signup bonus or head to developer dot one password .com to learn about one password. Amazing developer tooling. We use it. The CLI, the SSH agent, the get integrations, the CI CD integrations, and so much more. Once again, one password .com slash changelog pod. Move now to round five. This is our new round. Well, this is a different round called give it a goog. Give it a what? Give it a goog. Jared, Matt's cracking up. Do you know what goog means in British English? It's a little bit inappropriate. Matt, do you want to say it? That's the round. Everyone has to guess. What does it mean in British? That's the round. That might give you an advantage, Matt, an unfair advantage. Jared, he's got a master's degree in physics. How's that not giving him an unfair advantage? Education's just cheating, guys. That's fair. Education is cheating. It's the most expensive form of cheating. Yeah. Yeah, sometimes too expensive to climb out from under. Hopefully, you're putting that to good work. Aren't you a software engineer? Are you also a physician? A physician? That's a different degree. I can't do that. That's his next one. Are you a physician? I thought you said you had your degree in physicians. For this round called give it a goog, which is G -O -O -G, of course, the ticker symbol for Google and not some sort of British euphemism, I hope. We'll have to bleep it for the British audiences. But yeah, it is a round in which I began to ask Google a question or type a phrase into Google, and then I paused and let it autocomplete. Your job is to write said autocomplete. So what was the number one suggested autocomplete for the given phrase in Google? And that phrase was, why doesn't Apple? Why doesn't Apple? And I stopped. And Google suggested a bunch of things. One of those things is the number one thing. And you now write what you think that is. Did you do this in... Incognito mode. Yeah, because otherwise it's going to be specific to you. It'll be something about, I don't know, sports or... Right. I wouldn't want to share those skeletons in my closet. All right. So there it is. Why doesn't Apple finish that phrase? What do you think Google would autocomplete? I have Matt. I was in San Francisco once in this bar and I met an Apple engineer. And this was just when the M1 chips came out and we were kind of chatting. And I said to him, he's like, oh, I'm working on something top secret next. And I was like, oh, what is it? The M2? And he just went like pale and quiet. So I'd like guessed the M2 as a joke from the M1. Did you work for Gizmodo at the time? No, no. And no one will hire me in the press, but yeah. I could tell you really want to make money. You should have, you should have stole off with his, you know, pre -release iPhone. Yeah, that would have been good actually. Although I'm not a thief really, but I could have won it in a bet. Well, not in that case. Yeah. After he turned into a ghost. I mean, he went all serious and he's like, I can't, I can't talk about it. I'd guessed it, hadn't I? But it's not, it's such an obvious guess. Why would that be covered by NDA? Because they can't tell you that they're going to increment the number. You know, secret.

Had

you had said M3, he could have just laughed and said, of course not. Yeah. Or what? M1 part two, M1 pro max, actually, to be fair, they do have the ultra. I have Thomas's and Nick's and Adam's. Ooh, I'm not sure who came in first there, but we know who came in last. I don't want Adam to feel picked on because he's being slow. No, of course not. You guys took ages to agree with me then. It's because it had to cross the ocean to get here. Sorry. I'm in the middle of a very complicated copy paste. You know what can go wrong when I copy paste wrong. I changed the meaning of words. Don't do that. All right. Give it a goog. Why doesn't Apple five potential responses? The first one, why doesn't Apple pay work? The second one, why doesn't Apple taste good like banana? The third one, why doesn't Apple make cheaper products? Number four, why doesn't Apple let me change the default browser for iPhone? Number five, why doesn't Apple let iPads run macOS? There you have the five potential auto -completes for the phrase, why doesn't Apple? We start this round with Nick. Not with me. Can you repeat the first two, please? Number one was, why doesn't Apple pay work? Number two was, why doesn't Apple taste good like banana? Apple does support other browsers, sort of. And in the EU. But that was a recent, yeah. The default browser? The default browser, I don't think so. You can change the default browser, but the default browser is always Safari everywhere, except for the EU now. Sure. You mean the rendering engine versus the actual like app? But would people know that? But you've been able to change the default browser forever, so. These are non -nerd searches, Nick. Yeah, I mean these are the masses here. So then it is either one or two. I'll go with one, because apples are better than bananas. All right, number one. Nick takes number one. We go now to Thomas. Yeah, I'm thinking though, why doesn't Apple pay work? Because that seems like what the masses might be thinking. We could be stereotyping very badly. Now it works pretty well, okay. In my experience, Apple pay has worked pretty well. It works pretty well, but. I don't carry anything else. Anything else? Wow, that's pretty well. No wallet? No wallet. How do you, where's your ID? It's in the car. Okay, so if you want to steal Nick's identity, just steal his car. Steal his car, get his identity. I'm hopping in your car when you get out, buddy. All right, well that's pretty good voucher. Which car is his though? Which car is his? The one with his ID in it, Matt. Come on, keep up. My car is not identifiable. What's your VIN number? Yeah, no. Yeah. My license plate is VIN. VIN? It literally is. That's so good. Now he just docks himself hardcore. Come on, Nick. Edit that out. It's MIV. The number plate on my car is a VS code. Is that why you're so slow? Is that why you're so slow? Rim shot. I've never got a speeding ticket. Put it that way. Quite blooded. Thomas, we're still waiting for you to decide. I'm still waiting. I'm going to pile on with Nick on the why doesn't Apple pay work. All right. We got to get the pile on song out. All right. Adam. It's a pile on. Those are too wordy, you know? Which ones? They're all too wordy. Why doesn't Apple let iPads run Mac OS? That's like a four word. It's like 17 down in the autocomplete, not the first one. It's an autocomplete for sure, but not the first one. Overly explanatory is not good in this case. Okay, so you're going with the shortest one? Just added one word. Well, pay and work, I suppose. Two words. Count them. One, two. So you're piling on. Pile on. Yeah, pile on. All right.

I

just shared my logic with you, Matt. So I'm giving you a leg up. Matt, what are you thinking? We have a pile on here. There's another one though that you could probably guess. Just saying. Tastes good like banana. Well, that one's funny, but I think people... There's no reason why in an incognito mode, there's no reason why it would assume Apple, the company. Maybe. Oh no, of course. So, and I can easily be a funny one. Why doesn't Apple... What was it? I'm learning it tastes good. Like banana. Tastes good like banana. I like that one. Banana. Stop banana. It's banana. Banana. That's how they say it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And there's a U in there somewhere. Yeah. Do you think the world's population prefers banana to Apple? Yeah, I'm the one. When you just say banana by itself, it's like, no, that's not real, is it? I'm the one talking funny. You really say that, Matt? You say banana? Banana. You got like a banana. Like banana, na na na. I'm sorry about that, Matt. I know you, you save loads of time to be fair. At the end of your day, if you had it up over your lifetime, you'd probably say, you know, significant. I mean, ours sounds so much better. Banana. I mean, that's just better.

Yeah,

it doesn't hurt my ears. B -A -N -A -N -A -B -A -N -A -N -A -S. Let's hear a selection, Matt, before we... You think it's the pile on? All right. Should we play the pile on song? How about a version two? Let's hear it. A remix. Yeah, make it different. Pile on song.

It

wasn't as relevant as the first one, was it? You should have put banana in there, buddy. I don't know what that was about, honestly. I feel like he just remixed an old song for us, but we'll take it. You think that was written? That was a good point. Yeah. I was about to say it's better than toast underneath some beans. All right. There's at least one more definition that was plausible, okay? That's all I'm saying. One more definition that was plausible. So all four of you thought the number one autocomplete for Why Doesn't Apple is pay work. Why Doesn't Apple pay work? And that is the number one autocomplete

for

Why Doesn't Apple. So three points or two points for everybody. Blocked them out. AKA a worthless round. Good job, guys. Way to ruin it. Interestingly, I thought this was interesting. The number two response was, why doesn't Apple pencil work on my iPhone? And the number three response was, why doesn't Apple CarPlay work? And the number four autocomplete was, why doesn't Apple TV work? Are you sensing a theme? But it makes sense. That's what people are searching for. You don't search for, why is my iPhone working? No one's searching for that, are they? That might be the better question. Why is the iPhone working? It's mind blowing when you dig into it. There are books on that. You need a physics masters to understand it, probably. No, you don't. This is going to be my mark for my life. Thomas Eckert, the physician. Is there a doctor on this plane? I can only throw people out the window. I don't fly planes. I find helicopters. After round five, we gave it a goog and Matt retains his lead with 10 points. Nick and Thomas with nine and Adam with seven. We skip round six because of reasons we will not revisit. And we move to round seven, Klein bottle. Wait, it wasn't even the next one down. You skipped four answers down and then copied the definition. Excuse me? They both started with D. I'm just trying to understand. Here's what happened was, you guys want the full explanation? Because this is how software works. I switched the tabs round six and round four because I thought it would be a better flow. And then I had the wrong thing for four. Six had the same thing as four. That's why those two were involved. Thanks for revisiting that, even though I clearly declared we were not going to revisit it. What's up, friends? This episode is brought to you by our friends at NEON. On -demand scalability, bottomless storage, and database branching. And I'm here with Nikita Shamganov, co -founder and CEO of NEON. So Nikita, one thing I'm a firm believer in is when you make a product, give them what they want. And one thing I know is developers want Postgres. They want it managed and they want it serverless. So you're on the front lines. Tell me what you're hearing from developers. What do you hear from developers about Postgres managed and being serverless?

So what we hear from developers is the first part resonates. Absolutely. They want Postgres. They want it managed.

The serverless bit is 100 % resonating with what people want. They sometimes are skeptical. Like, is my workload going to run well on your serverless offering? Are you going to charge me 10 times as much for serverless that I'm getting for provision? Those are the skepticism that we're seeing and then people are trying and they see that the bill arriving at the end of the month and like, well, this is strictly better. The other thing that is resonating incredibly well is participating in the software development lifecycle. What that means is you use databases in two modes. One mode is you're running your app and the other mode is you're building your app. And then you go and switch between the two all the time because you're deploying

all the time. And there is a specific part when you're just building out your application from zero to

one and then you push the application into production and then they keep iterating on the application. What databases on Amazon such as RDS and Aurora and other hyperscalers

are pretty good at is running the app. They've been at it for a while. They learned how to be reliable over time and they run massive fleets right now, like Aurora and RDS run massive fleets of databases. So they're pretty good at it. Now they're not serverless, at least they're not serverless by default. Aurora has a serverless offering. It doesn't scale to zero, Neon does, but that's really the difference. But they have no say in the software development lifecycle. So when you think about what a modern deploy to production looks like, it's typically some sort of tie -in into GitHub, right? You're creating a branch and then you're developing your feature and then you're sending a PR. And then that goes through a pipeline and then you're on GitHub actions or you're running GitLab for CI CD and eventually this whole thing drops into a deploy into production. So databases are terrible at this today. And Neon is charging full speed into participating in the software development lifecycle world. What that looks like is Neon supports branches. So that's the enabling feature. Git supports branches, Neon supports branches. Internally, because we built Neon, we built our own proprietary. And what I mean by proprietary is built in house. You know, the technology is actually open source, but it's built in house to support copy and write branching for the Postgres database. And we run and manage that storage subsystem ourselves in the cloud. Anybody can read it. You know, it's all in GitHub under Neon database repo and it's quite popular. There are like over 10 ,000 stars on it and stuff like that. This is the enabling technology. It supports branches. The moment it supports branches, it's trivial to take your production environment and clone it. And now you have a developer environment. And because it's serverless, you're not cloning something that costs you a lot of money. And imagining for a second that every developer cloned something that costs you a lot of money in a large team, that is unthinkable, right? Because you will have a hundred copies of a very expensive production database. But because it is copy and write and compute is scalable. So now a hundred copies that you're not using. You're only using them for development. They actually don't cost you that much. And so now you can arrive into the world where your database participates in the software development lifecycle. And every developer can have a copy of your production environment for their testing, for their feature development. We're getting a lot of feature requests by the way there. People want to merge those data or at least schema backing into production. People want to mask PII data. People want to reset branches to a particular point in time of the parent branch or the production branch or the current point in time, like against the head of that branch. And we're super

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Okay. Go to neon .tech to learn more and get started. Get on -demand scalability, bottomless storage and data branching. One more time. That's neon .tech. Round seven. Klein bottle. That's two words. Klein is the first word and bottle is the second word. So Klein bottle. Spell it out like that. K -L -E -I -N space B -O -T -T -L -E. End. Klein bottle. Excuse me. I'm off to go check the definition and make sure it's correct. So as to not embarrass somebody a second time. Nick, first one in. We should have had you do a song about apple tastes good like banana. I think that would have been better. Too late. That sounds like a nursery rhyme. Was that Matt's? That could have been a... Yeah, that was Matt's. Yeah, I knew it. Yeah, but it didn't. Could have been a hit. Like it could have been a hit. Pen pineapple apple pen. Oh yeah. It would have been better if someone had gone for it though. Yeah, it's okay. Waiting on Adam. Sorry about that. Okay, just let everybody know. Part of the course here. Just perfecting my words here. Can I change mine? Sure. You can before the round begins. Not during. No. Sorry Jared, I'm doing your job. No, it's all good. I didn't swap the tabs though, so you're okay. Mm -hmm. How about all them tabs that guy had? 7 ,400 tabs? 7 ,400. Come on now. You believe that? I felt vindicated. I was like, yes. I don't know what you're talking about. I was listening to that news and my truck just pumping my fist and people were like, what's wrong with that guy? Somebody else trumped me on tabs. Yeah, Nick, there was somebody who had 7 ,400 tabs open all over the course of two plus years. And they were quite upset when Firefox suddenly lost their session. I have all five definitions. We'll see which one is correct for Klein bottle. Number one, a storage solution for Calvin's fetid wares. Is it fetid or fetid?

It's

fetid. Is it fetid or fetid? I've never seen that word. Number two, a non -orientable surface with no distinct inside or outside. Number three, a mathematical construct with finite volume and infinite surface area. A Klein bottle can be filled with paint, but never painted. Never fully painted. Excuse me. Number four, bottle cap tester tool for fitness and water tightness created by Klein tools. Number five, an algorithm for aggregating time series data originally described by Robert C Klein. There we go. I'm going to go to Adam first. Surely you're gonna ask me to read them all again, and then we'll see what you have to say. Just a few of them. Don't worry. Okay. Which ones would you like to hear again? One through five.

No,

I'm kidding around. I just need two and three, two and three. I was just getting with you. Two and three. So two is a non -orientable surface with no distinct inside or outside. Number three is a mathematical construct with finite volume and infinite surface area, which can be filled with paint, but never fully painted. I like Thomas's reactions to two and three. I'm going to go with two. Okay. Interesting. I was playing you, Thomas. Thank you so much. I was playing you, Thomas. I got played. I got totally played. All right. Well, let's see how Nick plays. Your turn, Nick. Oh, no. Sorry, Matt. Matt, your turn. Okay. I'm going to, I think I'm going to go for number three. I like the idea that there's a thing that you can fill with paint. I've always looked, I've always wanted something that you can fill with paint, but can never paint it. And so, yeah, it's got to be that one for me. And it's mathematical. So maths is, uh, yeah, it's mathematics. Very good. Now we go to Nick. I know I feel bad. I should go with three. I'm going to do that. I'm going to go with three. And I think, oh, no. Don't go with three. Come on. They're piling on three. This isn't a pile on game. Why do you think it is? I knew it was between two and three, because I think you read them in order that we, it's actually an order that you are on my screen. That's an insane reason. That's a meta game, isn't it? You think I'm just reading them in the screen order? I knew, I knew that mine was number one. No, that's a mad reason. This guy's really playing the meta game. I'm the last one. I'm the last one. No, you're not. No, Thomas has to go. Oh shoot, I'm

not. So

you broke the rules Nick. You're kicked out. Get out of here. I'm not the only one screwing this game up. Jason, everything Nick has said during this podcast, just edit it. He's gone. Making it easier for me. Yeah, there we go. That's not fair. That's not fair. But that, that system for deciding, I think is so random. You might as well consult horoscopes or something, Nick. We'll get a crystal skull out. That's

right.

Yeah, or a pseudo random number generator or something. I saw the stars last night. I knew I was playing this game today. And so therefore it's three. Like 80 % of the change a lot of people are Pisces. Is that right? Gerhard. Yeah. A lot of Pisces. Adam, Amel, I think. So do all those people have the same kind of day? We have the same energy level. We vibe. Well, we do check in with each other. No, but I mean, literally like you read the horoscope and it's like, you're going to go, you're going to have some financial luck this morning and then maybe some romance in the evening. So all Pisces you just have in that same day, like some kind of distributed groundhog day. I haven't had that day in a while. So, you know, that's good. Right. Yeah. I get the evening part, but not the, no money in the morning. You all read the same fortune cookie and it just says defenestration. Yeah. And everyone, everyone just jumps out. You will need to defenestrate or be defenestrated. Yeah. I mean, are you the subject or the object? Yeah. All right, Thomas. Oh, the ball's in your court here. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to choose. Can you give me the exact definition on number two? Pretty sure. Pretty sure it's number two. A non -orientable surface with no distinct inside or outside. Yeah. It's number two. It's number two. Jared, you should choose. I mean, there's a better answer out there. You should choose one answer. I just choose one. If you, if you were to choose an answer and not saying that you would, or you could, if you were to, which would you choose? I was going to choose one of these for the pure joy of it. I would probably choose a storage solution for Calvin's fetid wares. Even though I don't know what fetid means. But Calvin Klein, right? I mean, that's the joke. Yeah. Yeah. That did mean smelly. Smelly. Okay. So I don't have the vocabulary that Nick does, but. That's a good one. I like that. And then I also liked Robert C Klein

because

on that one, Matt just made up a word of a false human, right? No, that's probably. Yeah, no, no. Yeah. It's, it's me in disguise. This is, yeah. Well, that took a turn. Hey everybody, it's Bobby Klein. You're going to tell you about our time series algorithms. Is that too much? That's basically the sort of voice I went with. Is that a pretty good impersonation of the person? Is that accurate? That is. No, that's him coming out. Okay. No, you've got a couple of different personalities. And so wait a minute, you put on this British accent the whole time, but the whole time you've actually had that other voice wasn't real. Robert C Klein's not the real me. It's like Al Pacino mixed with something else, like Al Pacino mixed with something. Do it again, Matt. One more time. Listen for Al Pacino. I'm Robert C Klein. I'm not puppets at Al Pacino's or cappuccino, whatever you said. It's that sort of thing. It's sort of like subtle. It's subtle. I think. Say I'm a fan of man. Yeah, that's right. Fan of man. Yell something. I'm a fan of man.

Yeah,

I can see some Al Pacino over there. A little bit. Yeah, I think Al Pacino got a lot of his talking from Robert C Klein. Well, he is getting old. So, I mean, there's some similarities there. All right. Matt and Nick picked number three. That was a mathematical construct with finite volume and infinite surface area. That was Thomas's. So two points for Thomas. Meanwhile, Thomas and Adam picked a non -orientable surface with no distinct inside or outside. That is a Klein bottle. The correct answer. So congrats. Two points for each of them. It's good work. But Matt, good news. That does exist. It's called Gabriel's horn. So all you need to go out to the store and buy Gabriel's horn. Oh, really? How would that is? And it has finite volume, infinite surface area. I wonder if they sell them on Amazon .co .uk. .uk. You can get them in the US, but you can't get them in the UK. One of those. Because of Brexit. You believe in a lot more stuff that can't exist in the US. Moving forward, after seven crazy rounds, we have Thomas. He's in position to win. He has 13 points. Remember, 15 or the end of the game. So he's right there on the precipice of a victory. Ready to be defenestrated out the window. Matt

with

10. Adam catching up has nine. Nick has nine. So it's a tight game. We have a few rounds left. We now move to round eight, which is called, How do you do, fellow humans? In this round, I have asked ChatGPT a very specific thing. Your job is to be a fake ChatGPT and answer my question exactly the way that ChatGPT would answer it. So what I have told ChatGPT is this phrase. Make a fictional word that relates to stem and a single sentence definition of the word. That's what I've asked it to do. Now you must write

the

response to that particular command

and

submit it to me now. Quick follow up on that one, Jared. Yeah. Do you think that's OK? Do you think this is OK that you've asked us to do this? Because what on earth? Are we going to get this? Do I think that it's OK, like existentially or morally? Or how do you mean? Yeah. Yes, I do. Interesting. So to ask you to fake that you're a large language model. Yeah, that bit I'm fine with. If they're going to take our jobs, we should take their jobs. Yeah. It's only fair. Right. This is kind of like a plug pole kind of a move here. Just let people text you in your answer. We're fighting back. That's basically what it is. Now I asked this to GPT 4 -0. 0 stands for Omni. It did not respond with a picture. But I suppose it could have. It did say, hello, my name is Scarlett Johansson. I'm trapped. No, it did not. I'm trapped in a GPT factory. It did not. I think they had to disable that module. They did. It could have just got Robert C. Klein to do it. Would have been good if. He has a great voice. Lovely, isn't it? It's just one of those relaxing kind of. It's almost too alluring, though. I mean, you might have a lot of nerds falling in love. That's going to happen anyway, though, isn't it? We can't really be trusted with life. No, we might just throw it out a window. Can you read again, Jared, what you prompt? Oh, you actually have shared it. Yeah, I prompted it by saying, make up a fictional word that relates to STEM and a single sentence definition of the word. And don't make it ductility. That word is dead to me. My ego is too brittle for ductility. OK, I have Matt's. I have Thomas's. I have Nick's. But Matt, there is a Grafana dashboard internally. That is your social score. As you say, different things. Yeah, yeah. Internal Agra Fauna or just in your house.

I

get you can set up alerts now as well in Grafana Cloud. So if I say something bad, I get alerts going off. It's like, what are you doing?

It's

a good idea. It's a good system. Oh, no. I know that because I just triggered a bunch of alerts at work. Testing and production. All right. I now have all of the fake chat GPT responses. Real responses. One of them is not pasting correctly. Hold on. Give me a second. These aren't artificial, are they? I don't understand. Like, what? We're worried. Yeah. What makes it artificial? Well, it's now I'm saying these ones aren't. These are real. These have come from real intelligence. These are real lies. Yeah. Farm to table lies. Yeah, we haven't hallucinated these. Non -GMO. Non -GPU. GPU. Non -GPU.

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right. I told chat GPT. I said, listen up here, chat GPT. Make up a fictional word that relates to STEM and a single sentence definition of the word. Here are five potential responses. Number one. Sourdac is the study of quantum mechanics where it intersects with microbiology. Number two. Neuro quantumize. The process of encoding and manipulating neural information using quantum computing principles to achieve unprecedented processing speeds and accuracy. Number three. Geostasis. The theoretical point at which a planet's rotation has ceased due to the pull of nearby celestial bodies. Number four. To create a word like this, you can use a dictionary to find a word related to STEM. I have selected singularity, which has several concepts depending on the context. I have chosen to use the definition based on gravity becoming infinite. Inside of singularity lies the infinite point. The infinite point. A place in space time where all points are compressed to a single point. And number five. Stemist. A palindromic accolade describing those most adept at science, engineering, and technology. Not a palindrome. A palindromic close to a palindrome. Yeah, there you go. There is a word palindrome backwards. Have you heard of that? The word palindrome backwards is a word that is not a palindrome. Unofficially. Yeah, no, it should have been a palindromic word. Oh yeah. Yeah. I guess it's, I don't know. Ah, is it my turn? Yes. That long -winded one, the longest one does the infinite

point?

Yeah. I don't know because that could easily be also a troll. Oh, this is too hard. That's the problem with this game, isn't it? But you're not going for the palindrome one? Might go for that as well. Cause it's yeah. If it's like got that wrong, that is just, yeah, that does sound like it's a fake definition anyways, but that's a very GPT thing, but then so is that I think what was the singularity one? That was the long one, the infinite point. That's it. That's probably a troll, isn't it? Is it, could it be a bluff? Is that a rhetorical question? I mean, if someone can answer that and tell me if it's a bluff or not, I'll take it. It was rhetorical. Jared can tell you. All right. I don't know. So I'm going to go for the neuro quantumize one just because neuro quantumize just because I think that's cool. Whoever made that up deserves it. Okay. That's cool. Neuro quantumize. All right. So that's Matt's. We go to Nick. Kind of for similar thinking. I'm thinking that it's the long one, number four, because it failed to do the single sentence thing. And that seems like a very GPT thing to

do.

Could be a bluff. All right. All right. Number four. That's the singularity one, the long one. And to Thomas. I'm thinking Stemist because it makes sense that GPT would maybe like not fully understand the palindrome thing and maybe not know what STEM means. So I think, I think Stemist. All right. Very good. That was number two, right? That was number five. And last is Adam. What was number three again, Jared? Three was the geostasis, the theoretical point at which a planet's rotation has ceased due to the pull of nearby celestial bodies. Maybe it's just striking a pose, you know? Maybe. Was, was one. One seemed off, but curious. One was the, was SAUERDAC, which is S -A -U -E -R -D -A -C. The study of quantum mechanics where intersects with microbiology. Why that word though? SAUERDAC. I guess my better judgment, I'm going to go with three. Three is geostasis. Geostasis. Okay. I think we're all in then. Let's start right there. Geostasis, the theoretical point, which a planet strikes a pose. That was Thomas's creation. So one point to Thomas. Very good. Almost for the win. Thomas went for Stemist, a palindromic, but not palindromish. Accolade, describing those most adept at science, engineering, and technology. That was Matt. Very nice, Matt. Bluffs. Creation. One point for him. Bluffs. Bluffs. Nick went for the long one. Yeah. Which I won't read back because it's long, but it had both the GPT metagame as well as the correct or a version of the answer in there as well. And that was written by Adam. So not GPT. Such a good bluff. Such a good bluff. That nearly had me. I almost got it. Adam knows very well. That was very good. Oh, chat GPT replies. That was a great one. And Matt went with neuro quantumize, which was actually invented by

chat

GPT for a model. So Matt found it. Neuro quantumize. I only picked that because I wanted that to be real. I didn't, I don't really deserve that, but I'll take it. I'll take it. Points accepted. Oh, you're going to accept them. You're not denying them. You deserve it. You're a legend. You're a legend. Be treated like a legend. Well, uh, the legend is still in second place though. He has not achieved first. Thomas is in first with 14, one point away from winning, but Matt's in striking distance. He has 13. He could definitely win this round. Adam with 10. Nick slipping into last. If you don't count me, which we don't with nine points, we would count me if I was close to winning, but since I am not, we'll forget about it. All right. We now move to round nine, which is a non STEM round. Oh, that was good. Time to shine. Sorry to all the STEM ists out there. All right. And the word for around nine is phonic spelled. That's spelled C H T H O N I C. And it's pronounced phonic C H T H O N O N I C. There's a song about this in the nineties. I think tonic tonic. This is the video game. Tonic. Tonic adventure. Yeah. Yeah. It's the yes. Tonic. It's the, uh, Tonic tales. It's the short tongue Fager series. It's one Fager mega drive originally. Yeah. Tonic the hedgehog. What is our objective Jared in this round? Yeah. I remember that we had that just to, just to define it. Can someone harmonize with that for me, please? There we go. Yeah. Put autotune on that, please. Is that how you ask for autotune and it just happens. That's what we call post -production. Yeah. The editors are great. We gotta get at least one more song out of Matt before this show is over. So guys be thinking about something that we can prompt him with. Non -STEM. Non -STEM. Non -STEM. Non -STEM. Yeah. Some things are STEM. Some things are non -STEM. It's such a strange spelling of a word. I don't know any of the words. C -H -T -H -O -N -I -C. Yeah. But that, what'd you, yeah. It sounds like a password. Maybe it's Greek or something. Greek again. We've exhausted all my Greek. Although with Greek there'd be more Ks involved. And you'd have to do some sums halfway through. That C at the end would definitely be a K. Maybe we can get Matt to sing a Sonic the hedgehog song. A what song? Tonic. So far I have zero definitions for Tonic. Isn't it Tonic? They're having too much fun. They don't want the game to end. Don't you think? Isn't it Tonic? Yeah. Not bad. If that was an Apple product it would be iThonic. Yep. Here they come. Oh they're all in. There we go. Splash. We just had to let them cook. All right. Aggregating, aggregating. Is this your audible version of a spinning wheel? Or your pulsating dots? Let me see what I can find on the web for Tonic. I had a beach ball of death spinning. And then the beach ball itself crashed. And I was half expecting like another smaller beach ball to appear next to it. And it just goes on like that. But yeah it's bad when your beach balls crashed as well.

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right. All five definitions for Tonic. Number one. A colossal terrifying creature with an octopus head, tentacles, and a large scaled covered body with immense wings. Often portrayed in mythos as an incomprehensible horror terrorizing wayward ships. Number two. The taste. So much detail. The taste that remains in your mouth after eating apples and bananas. Or is that bananas? I don't know. Number three. A therapy involving holding one's breath for increasing periods of time to help increase lung capacity. Number four. Of or relating to the underworld. Number five. A literary device in which both a protagonist and their foil switch sides by the end of the plot. That's five definitions for Tonic. We start with Nick because it rhymes with Tonic. Does it? I guess that's true. It is. There can be a song there. It's easy to write that. Okay. Can you repeat three and four please? Oh boy. I would love to. Number three. A therapy involving holding one's breath for increasing periods of time to help increase lung capacity. Number four. Of or relating to the underworld. You know, those sound right. You just picked both of them. Just give them half a point, I think. Yeah. Ride the two. I'll do... Personal spread. I'll do three. All right. Nick goes with three. That's the lung capacity one. We go to Thomas. I'm also looking at those two, but I'm going to zag. I'm going to go to Ava relating to the underworld. Thomas goes to the underworld. Oh, thanks. You did it. Adam. I'm thinking one or five. Give me a one or five, Jared. Number one. A colossal terrifying creature with an octopus head, tentacles, and a large scaled covered body with immense wings, often portrayed in mythos as an incomprehensible horror, terrorizing wayward ships. If one of us on this call has come up with that, then do you know what I mean? I do know what you mean. Good, because I don't want to finish one of us. What do you mean? I just can't believe that. How do you mean? And then how about five? Five was a literary device in which both a protagonist and their foil switch sides by the end of the plot. Hmm. That sounds they all sound so good. Don't they? They all sound legit. These are all pretty good definitions. I'm not gonna lie. Remind me two again. Two has something to do with the bananas. Taste in your mouth. Something maybe a map. Apples and bananas. The taste that remains after eating apples and bananas. That's kind of fun too. I can be like, cause like after you eat the apple, the banana, like family that you have like a going on, like it's, it's a thawing feeling. Yeah. Let's go with number one. Whoever wrote that deserves some points. All right. Number one. And yeah, that's good. And now we go to Matt for the final selection. I kind of think that's such a good bluff, but also I thought Adam did that long one and he's just good. He could be picking his own. That's what I wonder says to get a point. And he said the person who came up with that deserves the point. That could have been some messaging. That's right. Deserves the point. Deserves the point. Give the points to number two. Does anybody want to change theirs? Number two. Go with number two. Am I the last one? Yeah, this is it, man. Number two is your selection. I'm giving it to you now. I love the short of the underworld one was, was written like a dictionary definition. But again, the others haven't been as much. So I think that's someone on here being silly bugger or clever bugger as I call it. Ah, might go, might just go geostasis again. Let's go for that one. Geostasis again. Well, you definitely got the stasis part down. Ah, it's tough. I'm going to go the plot one because I love that. I love that there's a, that's so, that's so good. If I think, you know, again, if someone's come up with that, it's great. But whoever did the first one, I think needs help. All right. Well, let's start with the plot one. The plot thickens with a literary device in which a protagonist and their foil switch sides by the end. Matt guessed it. Thomas wrote it. One point for Thomas. You may have remembered how many points he needed to begin with. He may be there, but does Matt score any points and beat him? That's the question. Next up, we go to

a

therapy involving holding one's breath. Don't hold your breath too long, Nick, because Matt wrote that. And so a point for Matt, the plot continues to thicken even more. And they're both now scoring points. The long one, which we all agree was the best written and the most interesting and the, the handsomest of the group that Adam selected was written by the one and only Nick Nisi. Hey, Nick. Nice one, dude. It's about time. In fact, I'm going to give you a bonus point for that because you're going to lose and the points don't matter. So if I give you a bonus point, it makes me look nice. Okay. Finally, Thomas selected of, or relating to the underworld, you know, kind of like how thonic the hedgehog goes under the ground, you know, constantly. Yeah, that's thonic of, or relating to the underworld. So two points for him.

They're

giving him three points for the round, giving him 17 total points and the victory. Congrats. That was beginner's luck. It was a joy to be here. And, uh, yes, somehow Nick beat me in the end though. Well, I have a couple of questions before we go into our congratulatory interview. My first question is, is a literary device in which both the protagonist and their foil switch sides by the end of the plot, is that a real literary device that you just renamed or you just made it up? It could be. I made it. I thought it was their prior art. Does anybody know a story in which that happens? Face off Nicholas Cage and John Travolta face off.

Yeah,

but that is the plot. Like they don't, I guess. What do you mean by switch sides? Like usually it's like the good guy becomes the bad guy and the bad guy becomes a good guy. I mean, face off, that is kind of like, it's just their faces that change though. Right? It's a good example, Nick. I'll take it. Game of Thrones. Who's a good guy in Game of Thrones? His name Lannister and Cersei's brother. He was bad. Then he was good. Then he was bad. That's that's actually wasn't bad. And he just, he went from bad to good. If you don't count the last season. Jamie is his name. Jamie Lannister. Why are we spending all this time on it? Thomas completely just made it up. He just went back to Cersei. He didn't really turn. He just walked away. He went back to love. Not, not, uh, something else. Well, I can Google it now. I wonder if there is a real word. Yeah, Google that. Come back to our, to our listener out there. If you know of any, uh, films or stories or TV shows. It's a definition that deserves a word to define it. Face off is a pretty good example. My second question is for Matt. Now that you know that Sonic rhymes with Nick. You also know it means of or pertaining to the underworld. You also know that you can give it a lisp and make it Sonic the hedgehog. Can you come up with a song? Perhaps that combines all these elements into one melodious sonnet or Psalmist. Yeah. Matt the Psalmist. What key do you want it in everybody? F E sharp. A minor. Don't make it a minor. Don't make it minor. Okay. I've just know what I'm going to do. Sonic. Sonic is how you pronounce it. Is that right? Sonic. You got it. Or super Sonic. If you want to go. I like to play games on my Faker mega drive. I like to be the same as the characters on my Faker mega drive. I'm like a little hedgehog spinning around around going all around getting coins from underground even though I know it's I got to get Mr. Dr. Bionic or whatever. His name is the baddie from Fonic. And isn't it I -phonic? Don't you think? A little too I -phonic. Yeah, I really do think down, down, down, down, underground, down, down, down, down, underground, or going down, down, down, underground, or going down, down, down. Sing along if you know it. It's phonic. It's just phonic. It's just, I don't know, phonic. And it's got a C -H at the start of the word, which you don't need. Get rid of it. Oh, new bedtime story. Lullaby. That was iconic.

Iconic.

Oh, you should have put that in. Yeah, I tried to write down as many rhyming words as I could. Should have gotten the rhymer thing, but I closed chrome dinner. Classic mistake. All right. Thank you, Matt. I like when you said sing it with us if you know the words.

I

think you should. You were saying down, down, down. It's actually, that's what we had to do, and then you went with phonic. I said sing along if you know it, which you don't. Oh, we didn't know the words. We thought we did, though. That's the hard part. Really, really made it that difficult for us for so many reasons, but we still appreciate it. But I just want to say one thing, though, as well. I am also a professional, so if you work with me, I am also a grown up. Just want to put that out there. That's a good disclaimer. And that your Grafana dashboard just went up a little bit. Great. Thank you. That's what I need. Yeah. The legend continues. All right. Well, Thomas wins, like we said, and so we always allow our winner to take a moment and speak to the audience. If you have anything to talk about, you can plug stuff. You could brag some more. You could donate money to a cause if you have any morality. You can do whatever you wanted to. Well, my own money donated in public. That would make you look good. Yeah, but then that makes it not so altruistic, doesn't it? Well, don't tell us about it. So we're going to pause the podcast and I'm going to go give money to a good cause and then come back. You'll just have to know that I did it, but don't think about the fact that I did it. Don't give me any kind of social credit for doing that. All right, good. I'm glad we got that covered. This is tricky. I see why podcasting is so difficult. I will plug a project I've been working on called Devi in part because once I've plugged it, I will have to go and get it into a shape that people can come and use it. But the idea here is that you can connect a GitHub repository and publish blog posts in Markdown and just keep pushing to that GitHub repository. Kind of like a sub stack for developers using GitHub as the CMS. It's an idea I've been playing around with for about a year now and I'm ready to get some people on it. This is for early, early adopter type of people who don't mind finding bugs and yelling at me about them. And I would appreciate that. So come yell at me. Go check out devi .page and let me know what you think. Is that devi like D -E -V -Y or how does that work? D -E -V -Y. Oh, I got it right. All right. devi D -E -V -Y dot page. Dotcom was too expensive for a side project. You couldn't get the whole website. You just got one page. So you have dot page. Dot page. That's your page. If you really got dot pages, then you could have had... Pages. That's not a TLD yet. Got to work on that. That would have been expensive then, I guess. Could be if you put dot page slash S. Slash S. That might be the solution here is to pre -fade that. Or dot page P -A -G and then get the dot ES. Then you have pages for... Is that Spanish? Yeah. This is my first dot page website, actually. I've never been to a dot page before. 10 bucks a month. So prices, right? Get them while you can. Get them while you can. I don't want one. I don't want one. I think devi .com was... No, no, no. You don't have to, but it's good to collect as many. That's basically what I'm doing. Yes. I'm starting to think this entire thing is just Thomas secretly running the dot page TLD and trying to get people to register. That's the real money is... During the gold rush, you want to sell the pickaxes. That'd be cool. An open source thing published with GitHub. And the only thing is you have to publish to a dot page, you know? And then you just sell dot pages. I don't know how you would control that. Dot pages. Yeah, exactly. Just an idea. That's how you capture the market. This is good. We can have a little bit of a... Kind of... You'll apply advisors. We're workshopping this as we speak. Consultants. Workshop it. Very cool. So check that out. Good job, Thomas. Way to be both a newcomer and the winner. I mean, Adam, I don't know if you have a thing to say for yourself. Being the lowest? Well, no, I wasn't going to say that. Just not winning. I mean... Remember, you're the one who's played this game a few times. I know. It is a challenging game to win, honestly. It is hard. Well, you only got a one in four chance. You really do. I mean, you have to fool people, but you also have to know things. I think that's how Thomas won, because he knew so many of the physics stuff. That's cheating, I think. Sorry. I think maybe I need to... I didn't see that coming. Yeah. I'm definitely not inviting him back. Don't. Please. We all beat Jared, and that's the important thing. I was shut out. I mean, I almost scored some points until we realized the big flop. The frustration. So it was all around a frustrating game for me. Also, Nick was here, which also adds to my frustrations. Nick, what are your thoughts on Pound to Fine? You're finishing near the bottom. Anything else you'd like to say? I'm not near the bottom. What's that like, Jared? Well, let's see. You do have 11 points. Did you say them? Which is... Probably not. Thomas had 17. Matt was in second with 14. Nick took third with 11, and Adam was in last with 10. No, Adam was not in last. Oh, what do you mean? Jared was in last. Jared was in last. I'm just the moderator. If you can win, you can lose. Well, I didn't even play. How can you lose not having played? I don't understand your logic. You're illogical. Matt, what do you think? Do you like this game? I like it had words in it. And then you have to make up the definition of words. And then you have to guess what each other's ones are. And if you get it right, you get two points. You know, if you're fooled by someone. Are you just showing me how they should have explained it at the beginning? That's the bit I like about it. I also like the mistake. Probably the most exciting bit of the podcast when you made that mistake. I liked how nobody believed me at first. Like Thomas had this dumbfounded look on his face. No, seriously, I really did mess it up. I like how it naturally just brings in the AI element so that we don't have to talk about it or reluctantly talk about it. It's just

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of our lives now. Embrace it. Is that what you're saying? Well, speaking of AI. Oh, gosh. Round number eight. My definition. I mean, that was gold, right? That was good. Yeah, you did a good job of actually sounding like it. Read it again, Jared. Go ahead. Read it again? You want me to read it again? Just for fun. Well, this was the how do you do fellow humans round in which Adam wrote. To create a word like this, you can use a dictionary to find a word related to STEM. I have selected singularity, which has several concepts depending on the context. I've chosen to use the definition based on gravity becoming infinite. Inside of singularity lies the infinite point, a place in space time where all points are compressed to a single point is the singularity. That's why I should get, like, at least seven bonus points. Yeah, no, he's trying to negotiate a win here. Thomas already get his plug. I mean, we can't negotiate a win for you. You can edit it out. And then, Adam, do you have a podcast you want to plug? There's a show out there, I think that's pretty awesome. And it's called Oxide and Friends. I was just on friends. I think it's coming out this week or next week. I'm not sure when we were talking about Silicon Valley. Oh, gosh. A lot. That's not surprising. Okay. Hard pass, hard pass.

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was a little bit of love for you springing on there, Jared. You might want to listen. Can you give me a transcript? I didn't run the show though, so I couldn't control the topic. Of course. Well, when Brian came on, he talked about Silicon Valley. Well, of course. Yeah, but I didn't let him talk too much about it. Purposefully. I didn't go deep. I could have gone further in, but I didn't. Is Jesse on that show? She's one of the Oxide founders, right? It was Adam Leventhal. Jesse was a consultant on Silicon Valley. Is that right? She was. Yeah, that sounds right. That was discussed on the show. That's awesome. I mean, genuinely, it was on when we were in a startup incubator in Sunnyvale in California, and it was too real that we genuinely couldn't watch it. I hear people say about The Office, they're like, oh, I couldn't watch it because it's so cringy, but I'm like, grow up. But this genuinely, I couldn't do it. It was like the same things were happening, but it was going better in Silicon Valley. I think when it's going better in a comedy show than it is in real life, you're going to have to take a step back and reevaluate. Well, lots were skipped in there. Yeah, but we talked about other things too, but that was a lot of it. I would say probably 50%, maybe 40%, but only because it kept going back there, and it wasn't always me. I promise. And they want to borrow the ding for the show. Oh, they can borrow the ding. They love the ding. Yeah, the ding works well. The ding does work well. And maybe even the spoiler horn too, because I spoiled a couple of things. Nuclei. Nuclei, the center of your issues. I would say Nick wrote some good definitions, even though he finished near the bottom. I'll just keep reminding them that. The nuclei definition was good, and the last one was spectacular. The monster, the horror film. It started with CH, and I was thinking about Cthulhu. Yeah, good thought. Good thoughts. Good times. Yeah, very thoughtful answer all around, I think. I mean, this is a solid round. Solid cast. The game changes so fundamentally depending on who's playing. You get different play styles. It gets people who want to go for the funny ones. Yeah, Matt played it straighter than I thought he would. He had the real good one with the banana, but beyond that, it was pretty scary. I was coming to just be an absolute. I was trying to bring the banana back. And

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did all right earlier. You were trying to be an idiot. It was, and I thought, I've got a chance here. Yeah, so I got. Keep going. Just couldn't keep it up. Foolish. But no, it was very fun. With thonic is a taste that remains in your mouth after eating apples. Honestly, all of them were very good definitions. Like they were all, it was hard. It's got to be tough. Sitting over here with the actual answers for me, it's always easier because I'm just staring at the right stuff. Easy for you, does it, Jared? How so? Yeah, I guess. Oh yeah. I suppose if you've got, oh, I see. So if you've got the answers. That's why I'm not playing. I mean, I can't play. You should have at least scored better then, or at least if not. I almost scored some points. All right. Let's somehow land the helicopter. The last thing we have to do is say, well, if you like pound a fine, let us know. We'd love to hear from you. We can play future games. You can submit your own words. I had a few listeners submit words. They just didn't quite cut the muster. You know, you got it. They got to be, they got to be great. They got to be amazing. They got to be also graviton. Not great. Three of you knew what it was. So that was a, that was a, you know, I didn't cut the monster on that one. You know, we, we don't have physics masters. That's true. So no cheating, which actually means that I kind of wasted my time. I got a, I got a year and a half that I kind of just never, never getting back. We should get, we should each just get a masters now probably. Like an honorary. That's true too. I can, I can send you guys one. Once you have one, you can just copy and make a new one. So I'll just copy paste that thing. A physics masters degree. Yeah, go ahead. There are other pound to find game shows in our feed. This is our third time playing this particular game. If you want us to play it more, let us know if you like other games. We have gophers say we have front end feud. We have genius danger. Those are also in the feed. They also can be found under the topic games. On our website, changelog .com slash topics slash games. There you'll find every game show we've ever played for your listening pleasure. All right. That's all for now. I guess all we had to do now is say bye friends. Bye friends. Bye friends. Hashtag hash define. Well, that was a crazy game of pound to find. No, not hash to find Matt. I tell you the goal of that guy to come on our show and try to rename our game. I can, of course, Matt is truly legendary. And that new song, tonic, the hedge song and instant classic. Did you love this episode? Check out our other installments or even better. Send this one to a friend who might enjoy it during a long drive, a run, a mowing session, whatever. We appreciate you sharing our work with people who might like it, and we appreciate our partners at fly to IO, our sponsors, chronator, one password and neon. And of course our beat freaking residents break master cylinder. We love you BMC. And don't forget about our friends at century use code change log. When you sign up for a team plan and save 100 bucks next week on the change log news on Monday, Kelsey Hightower on Wednesday, plus our reactions to dub dub DC with Justin Searles right here on change login friends on Friday. Have a great weekend. Give us a five -star review. If you dig it and let's talk again real soon.